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E.Jeppesen PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Hi guys, we have some exciting news to share with you; PSI 3.0 is out in beta. Please read more:
http://secunia.com/blog/306/

Please feel free to let us know about your comments and suggestions.

Leendert Kip PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Hi Emil, just installed in no-time. I'm really astonished how simple it works now. No settings, no dashboard etc. I miss the usual complete list of installed software with the version info. Why is that abandoned? What I miss more is that I cannot login to the forum from the dashboard. Now I have to do that via the internet browser. And I must say: the new userguide explains how it works in just a few pages and supporting screenshots. Well done!!

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Member 27th Feb, 2012 17:35
Hi,

As you can read on the blog post linked by Jeppesen in the top post, Secunia has decided to streamline and simplify the interface as much as possible.

With this release, we aim to satisfy the typical end-user, such as your uncle or grandmother, who may have mad trouble relating to the overflow of information found in the PSI 1.x and 2.x series.

So these things have been deliberatively abandomned in order to make the user experience appealing even to users who have no technical background.

Hope this helps.
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Leendert Kip PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Hi Emil, Yes, I understand the way it's designed now. I agree with you: simply install and let PSI do the work! Again: well done!

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@ Leendert Kip
I take it from your comments that U have read the new user manual.

My tests using IE9 on a 32 & 64 Windows 7reveal that the link supplied by Secunia does not work.

Can U please publish the URL?


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ddmarshall RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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The manual is here:
http://secunia.com/?action=fetch&filename=Secunia_...

The product sheet download here http://secunia.com/psi_30_beta_launch/ seems to work sometimes. I clicked a few times and got nothing and later it downloaded. Then I tried it again and got an Adobe Reader error.

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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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No problems with the download using Chrome. PDF product sheet came thro' second time around.
First reactions were " Gees that's slick !" It's so simple.....nothing to do !! Problem as I see it at the moment is.....I couldn't advise anybody until I've seen what happens myself when/if something needs patching !!
The green icon is nice 'n bright !

It's a bit of a culture shock !

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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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So there's no Suggesting Progs ? Anything detected as insecure the user is advised of as and when ?
Is there any provision for Ignore Rules ?
How does a user know what drives are being scanned ? In my case, all progs have been on the C drive anyrate.
At the moment I'm feeling as if I've missed something somewhere or got an edited PDF !!

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@ddmarshall - Thank you for the links - yours worked first time.

@mogs
Looks to me like OSI on steroids minus the dreaded JAVA. Much testing to do but it looks at first sight that Secunia are indicating they want to take total control of an end users PC when dealing with any vulnerabilities. We appear to have a month + to fully test & comment so I will unsubscribe until tests are complete.



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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@Maurice

Do you know if every scan has to be manually instigated...or the 1 week auto scan is incorporated ? Apart from these initial reactions/findings, I'm thinking I won't have much to report !
I'm wondering if it's more the case that the product sheet is somewhat Spartan.
Is it wise , do you think, to try to run both psi 2 and 3.0 on my machine ?


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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Page 7 of the manual indicates the auto 7 day scan remains a feature.

The other question is somewhat a personal choice. I never load Alpha/Beta/Developer programmes on a main platform.

Are U sure U can load two versions? PSI 3 auto removes any old versions as does version 2 & 1.5.

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ddmarshall RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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If you click the 'Need Help' link at the bottom right, it opens up your browser with a link to the nine page user manual.

The automatic seven day scan is still there. There's no information about ignore rules but the system I installed it on had some and it Is not reporting the programs in those files. So I presume it has carried them across from the previous version.

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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Thanks Maurice and dd !

Page 7 ?! 9 ?!.....I've been reading much too fast......I'll backtrack and do some catching up !!

Thanks both for your observations/comments.

Yeah....your right Maurice.....it's a case of one or the other.....I'll give it a few days first.

Thanks again.

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irongut RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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The new interface will be simpler for my family members to understand but for myself there are features missing that I really need.

As a developer I have some old install packages which I need to keep for testing purposes. Secunia sees them as out of date software so I usually set an ignore rule for the drive with these old installers.

Sometimes Adobe Flash updates will leave an old ocx behind. In the past I've been able to look at the extra detail on the results page to find out which is the offending file. Now that detail is missing making it harder to fix the problem.

Any chance we could get an advanced mode that is more like v2 for those of us who know how to use it?
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Anthony Wells RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Hello ,

I am still rather short of time (especially) for testing , but I do have a question for support :-

Will 3.0 detect - either now or in some distant future - the installed OS local language version as default and what local language will the installers detect/use for patches ?? This is an ongoing major "bug" in 2.0.x. My system is in French but seems to accept English system installs (at times) and my software is in in various colours , so I would be extremely loathe to let a programme install updates automatically for me . I trust there is some kind of AU turn off switch or setting available for the intrepid but non-techie such as I :)) OSI on steroids would definitely not be my first choice programme .

Will check back in a few days if anyone can add to my knowledge (not difficult :))

Take care

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@mogs
U can do a little bit of testing of PSI 3. The new manual clearly states this:

If you already have a Secunia Community Profile it can be recovered by entering your
username and the email address associated to it.
Visit the Secunia Community at: http://secunia.com/community/login/

I believe U are unregistered so does it now work?

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JohnRBurns RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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One question - does this install over 2.0 or is it installed separately?
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ddmarshall RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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The installer uninstalls any older version it finds.

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fizgig RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Like the comment from Irongut.

I agree and is VITAL!.
The product will need to include details, and file location and be still able to do
individually re scan's.

Secunia 1.5 and 2.00 found new updates, but on many occassions, doing a rescan would advise that the old files are still giving false positive. Only by tracing the path can one delete the offending file manually.

If this feature will not be in ver 3. it is no good for me.

Hopefully you will keep updating Ver 2.00 indefinitely.
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fizgig RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Totally agree, and more.
I have posted my comments.
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fizgig RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 27th Feb, 2012 23:16, irongut wrote:
The new interface will be simpler for my family members to understand but for myself there are features missing that I really need.

As a developer I have some old install packages which I need to keep for testing purposes. Secunia sees them as out of date software so I usually set an ignore rule for the drive with these old installers.

Sometimes Adobe Flash updates will leave an old ocx behind. In the past I've been able to look at the extra detail on the results page to find out which is the offending file. Now that detail is missing making it harder to fix the problem.

Any chance we could get an advanced mode that is more like v2 for those of us who know how to use it?

I totally agree.
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Member 28th Feb, 2012 03:16
I'm an almost 70 year old grandmother and have a few comments.

Your comment about making things easy for grandmothers is extremely patronising at best and I'm being charitable here. My real thoughts are unprintable in a public forum.

#1 I like and find very useful and helpful all the detail in the present version of PSI; I'm running 2.0.0.4003. I don't see why you can't keep it, or at least make it an option for those of us who want it.

#2 I never download something in a beta version; I'll let everyone deal with the bugs, glitches, etc and wait until the final release is out.

If you want to make things simpler in PSI 3.0, do it, but for heaven's sake don't state that you're doing it for the grandmothers and family members who "just don't understand." My quotes, but I hope you get the message.
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Leendert Kip RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 27th Feb, 2012 19:18, Maurice Joyce wrote:
@ Leendert Kip I take it from your comments that U have read the new user manual. My tests using IE9 on a 32 & 64 Windows 7reveal that the link supplied by Secunia does not work. Can U please publish the URL?


Hi Maurice, What I didn't know at the moment I wrote my comments is that you can got to the Forum via 'Do you need Help?' This get you to the Secunia home page, select 'community', select 'forum' and log in.

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@Leendert Kip
Thank U. @ddmarshall gave me the URL in a workable form. I now have the Manual in the Tasktray for easy launching.



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jvangent100 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Wonder why there is even a manual ! I certainly hope this is a early april fools day joke.

I have been running PSI from the first version and loving it, 3.0 has already been uninstalled as it is totally useless, all I can do is scan and re-scan. Gone is the list with installed programs, exceptions secure browsing, and for what purpose I wonder.

I certainly hope you guys go back to the drawing board, and take PSI 2.x as the starting point, add auto update for many other products but don't ripp out all the features and settings that make PSI a must have product, as now it simply is not.
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E.Jeppesen RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 27th Feb, 2012 23:16, irongut wrote:

Any chance we could get an advanced mode that is more like v2 for those of us who know how to use it?


We are looking into several options of satisfying the advanced users needs. Adding an advanced interface is among the options that we are currently considering. So yes, there is at least a chance, but it has not been decided yet.
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on 27th Feb, 2012 23:40, Anthony Wells wrote:
Will 3.0 detect - either now or in some distant future - the installed OS local language version as default and what local language will the installers detect/use for patches ??


In PSI 3.x beta some programs will not auto-update until the user has manually chosen his/her preferred language. This only has to be done the first time for each program. If you wish to test this you can use programs such as Firefox, Thunderbird or Seamonkey as they will require the user to choose a language before the first auto-update.
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@Maurice

By clicking on the link and Register Now.....I was taken to my profile page ( already completed )...so just confirmed my password.....subsequent message in green...profile updated. Of course the ability to go straight to forum from psi 3.0 is not present tho'.

Further Observations.

Upon starting up this morning no icon in the taskbar. From Start menu....no reaction at all. Rebooted....red icon appeared....waited a few minutes....but it only turned green after performing another scan.
Having shut down and returned now.....the icon is present, but again staying red.

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@mogs
Not sure I fully understand what U are saying.
Recoving a profile has been buggy for ages. Is this now TOTALLY fixed as described in the PSI 3 manual?

Sadly iI cannot test it myself - all my test PC's are unregistered & there is no way I am prepare to load a BETA on my main platform.

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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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@Maurice All I can say is that I followed the procedure from Register Now....but there's been no confirmation e mail.....should I be looking elsewhere ?

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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No - TU for the help. I will register one of my test PC's & test the complete procedure.

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Maurice Joyce RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Nice read about PSI 3 from Brian Krebs who is well known in serious security circles.

The users comments below the article are worthy of reading too.

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2012/02/psi-3-0-auto-pa...



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Hi everybody,

@mogs
You are not mistaken - There is no functionality for Software suggestions or ignore rules in the new PSI. Based on user feedback we will consider the functionality to include in the final version.

@ddmarshal
You cannot base your test on the results shown. The new PSI 3.0, unlike older versions, will only show insecure programs - Not those that have already been patched.

The PSI 3.0 has a new approach - Whatever we show you is something you need to deal with. Programs that are already patched or for which there is no solution will not be shown as it is unlike this information will benefit the typical end user.

@irongot
Thank you for your feedback.

Actually we have simplified the process of dealing with zombie files such as the old OCX files - Now there is no process at all. The PSI simply ignores the zombie files, and will not continue showing you a "threat" when there is already a new version in use.

Hope this helps.

@Anthony Wells
In the new PSI 3.0, localization is a priority feature.

For this reason, programs that have more than one language available will not automatically install before you have chosen a language (Once). So in the case there is a variety of installers available, for example for French, Spanish, German and English, the installation will not proceed before you have chosen a language to use.

However, for programs that are only available in English the installer will simply go ahead.

If you wish, I can forward your suggestion again for the PSI 3.0. However, I do not think it will be accepted.

Consider this - Don't some users in French-speaking areas prefer the English installer? Since the new PSI will automatically upgrade any program it can, automatically detecting a language would mean choosing a language on behalf of the user. Now, you get a choice for each program which language you wish to use for upgrading it.

A global language setting is still possible, but carries with it the risk of some confusion - Such as some languages not being supported by every program.

Hope this clarifies the matter.

@fizgig

Thank you for your feedback.

Although we will most likely not provide the PSI 2.0 with bugfixes or new features, there are no plans know to me to break support for it. Hopefully you will be able to use it for as long as you like.

Your feedback on the new interface is critical to the direction Secunia will take the PSI. As we have mentioned, user opinions matter a great deal when designing the PSI, and if there is a wide enough demand your suggestions will be considered with great care.

I hope this feedback meets your concerns. If you have further comments or suggestions, please let us know.
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Hello Emil ,

Thank you for your quick reply ; your response concerning local variations is in effect what I was hoping would be the situation for the software and , so it would seem , that the local version becomes the default . I guess , there is possibly then no need to bother with the OS language , as such .

What happens if I wish to change a programme's local default in the future ?? What about having more than one language version on the system ; will 3.0 be able to handle that ??

However , I need to restate , that I would not use a program such as version 3.0 that would auto update my browsers , in particular Firefox and Chrome ; nor has the PSI (AU) history , so far , concerning such programmes as JAVA and Adobe convinced me to alow the PSI anywhere near them unless I can disable the (AU) default feature .

I fully agree with the critique from mynahbird ; I know "grannies" who are so tech savvy they are/would be my first call of reference for technical help . @ç"§§¤ !!

Dumbing down for the newcomer , lazy user is one thing but do not throw the baby out with the bathwater or some such cliché .

If the existing bugs in 2.0.x are going to be left behind because everything is concentrated on 3.0 , I consider that most disrepectful to those long time users who currently suffer them (luckily not me) .

A couple of questions :-

1) are all "zombies" like .ocx's really safe to leave behind ??

2)What about people patching their browser and blithely sailing off to surf the web with , say , a "fully patched" but still vulnerable Flash Player ?? I understand that it is the "patchable" software holes that are attacked first but the bad guys are not going to miss an opportunity if you treat people like mushrooms (fungi) .

Gotta go ; look forward to your comments wheh you have the time .

Take care

Anthony

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My first impression was that the new interface was far less cluttered which would undoubtedly put my less technical friends and family at ease. I would be far happier recommending PSI in future to such users...

My second impression was that I must be really stupid as I couldn't find how to switch to the 'advanced' interface...

My third impression was mild incredulity that there wasn't an 'advanced' interface...


I will be rolling back to PSI 2.0. I like being able to see what programs are installed. I like being able to add/remove exceptions. I like being able to see vulnerability details for affected programs. I like being able to jump to the vendors product page.

I would also like to opt-out of auto-updating - preferably on a per-program basis. Sometimes I need to use a legacy version of a runtime/browser...

Once you've added an advanced interface I'll give PSI 3.0 another try.
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Hello,

Well, after reading the few topics (especially this one and this other : http://secunia.com/community/forum/thread/show/121...) about the new beta version 3.0.0.4, I also would like to see an "advanced mode" option where the installed programs ("scan results") are displayed and also the possibility to disable the auto-update function.

For the time being, I will certainly remain with the actual & latest official release 2.0.0.4003 which works prefectly and offers the a/m options ... ;-)


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lamaslany RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Just out of curiosity what sort of response did Secunia expect to get with this beta?

Surely non-technical users, the sort of user this change of interface seems to be geared towards, would not download and install beta versions of software. This would limit feedback to the more technically-orientated users - the sort of users that would prefer a higher degree of visibility and control than this beta offers...

On the upside I imagine you will get feedback on any issues with the PSI 3.0 uninstaller... ;-)
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aonris RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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With screen of response from 3.0 nothing to comment.
it is so simple wihout options to know more of the problems.
I prefer to see details about all software installed and issues of missing updates.

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aonris RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 28th Feb, 2012 20:50, aonris wrote:
With screen of response from 3.0 nothing to comment.
it is so simple wihout options to know more of the problems.
I prefer to see details about all software installed and issues of missing updates.


Uninstalling 3.0.... one problem.... and reboot.
Do you think to keep older version when release 3.0 final ? It is good to know it...

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Spiff RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 28th Feb, 2012 20:58, aonris wrote:
Do you think to keep older version when release 3.0 final ? It is good to know it...
See Emil Petersen's reply, earlier in this thread:
on 28th Feb, 2012 13:26, wrote:
Although we will most likely not provide the PSI 2.0 with bugfixes or new features, there are no plans know to me to break support for it. Hopefully you will be able to use it for as long as you like.

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Spiff RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Dear Secunia,

I haven't tried PSI v.3.0 myself, but I am shocked by what I read about it.
I concur with irongut, fizgig, jvangent100, Anthony Wells' second reply, lamaslany, throkr., and also with mynahbird.
All good and well that Secunia creates a new version of the PSI that is more suited to less technically confident users, but I think it's a dreadful mistake to put everything overboard that is loved by those who need the advanced options that are in PSI v.2.0.
As I said, I am shocked.

Fortunately, Emil Petersen said that there are no plans know to him to break support for PSI v.2.0, so that hopefully we will be able to use it for as long as we like, which is reassuring.
But anyhow, I think it would be better if PSI v.3.0 gets an option to choose for an advanced interface like the one in PSI v.2.0.


Best regards,
Spiff

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smallbiz RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Seems to me that 3.0 is being offered hastily and with more missionary zeal than good common sense.
Reshape 3.0 immediately to include a prominent button that can be toggled to switch between Advanced and Summary Report views.

Wake me up when the nightmare is over . . .
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lamaslany RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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It bothers me that my previous statements could be perceived as somewhat hostile so to be clear: I like Secunia's PSI and plan to continue using it (or at least 2.0). I would recommend it to friends and family. I also like the simplified interface in the PSI 3.0 beta and think that it lends itself well to the needs of less technically minded users.

Above all I appreciate the continued effort Secunia is investing in the PSI.


That all said I personally would still prefer an 'advanced' mode/interface/version. If you are looking ot justify the expense of developing an advanced interface for PSI based on feedback received then you can certainly add me to the tally of users that would appreciate a modicum more control...


Note: I would've added this to a previous post but for the lack of editing - apologies!
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E.Jeppesen RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 28th Feb, 2012 20:27, lamaslany wrote:
Just out of curiosity what sort of response did Secunia expect to get with this beta?


I believe we have expected just about the response we are currently receiving.

One could argue that an advanced user, or someone already used to the many features in PSI 2.x, may not prefer PSI 3.x beta in its current state. However, to improve overall IT-security we need to address the weakest link in the chain. Adding yet another great security program for the advanced users is fine, but it is addressing an issue that has already been solved. There are many ways to secure a PC if you are an advanced user and know what to do. But the PC’s of the advanced users are generally not the ones getting infected.

The real challenge is to get the less technical users to secure their PC effectively. That is what is needed to really improve overall IT-security, and that is the issue the Secunia PSI 3.x beta is intended to address.

We also try to find a way to satisfy our current user base, and are currently considering how this is best done.

Thank you all for your feedback, please keep it coming.
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Hi Emil (x2) ,

Your aim with 3.0 to help the halt and the lame and improve IT safety for all is most laudable but seems a little presumptuous at the time of writing , primarily because :-

1)until/as and when the PSI detects and covers all software loaded on a computer , the user should be made aware of what is or , equally , isn't being covered .

2)the PSI's "auto-update" system is is no where near reliable enough to pretend that you do not need toallow access by an "expert/advanced helper" when things foul up ; this Forum is pretty much proof positive of inherent problems . The same applies to the "manual" side of things .

3)I am what you might loosely desribe as an "advanced" user !! This term covers a multitude of sins and an infinite range of user types :eg: on a good day I might consider myself an "intelligent user" with very limited (non-existent) technical knowlege . My expert friends have taught me much as have technical sites (such as Gizmo's) and very importantly this Forum .

So giving someone a prophylatic treatment which is less than 100% effective :eg: enforced auto-updating with no access to the technical background will drive the medics/expert help bananas and could seriously harm the patient .

I very much wish that 3.0 will one day work as you wish and you can turn the Forum back into a chatroom ; until then I believe that you need a minimum of a Trouble Shoot Report available ; it is vital in removing guesswork and the dreaded "assumption" when trying to unravel the daily chaos .

Learning to take care of yourself is a critical part of growing up and improving the woirld around you - so they keep telling me :)))

Take care of eveyone .

Anthony

PS: I am still intereste in hearing your response to my questions on 1)zombies and 2)fully patched/vulnerable software (in my previous post) .

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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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"Eureka" !!

How about an Advanced psi...to be paid for....preferably nearer a nominal charge in my case !! And a freebie psi 3.0 with some modifications.....if past beta testing is anything to go by, Secunia has proven already that it listens attentively.....and it seems right to me that it's integrity should be leading the way thro' the vulnerability swamp !! We do need something that's easier for kids to use than adult pornographers perhaps !! Anti-corruption !! No batteries required !!

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Jesant13 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I have not used the beta, but I have read enough to concern me about version 3. I currently use version 2.0.0.4003 and I like being able to see a list of some installed programs and their versions. I also like being able to see some of the installed extensions in the web browsers on my computer, and in general, the version 2.0.0.4003 interface.

I understand that some people like the beta interface, but I don't because there are some things in version 2.0.0.4003 that in version 3 are no longer there. I want there to be an option to use an interface that allows me to see what I said in sentences two and three of the first paragraph.

I plan on sticking with version 2.0.0.4003 unless support for it ends or a fix for the account recovery feature is implemented in a later version. I would prefer not to manually update the Secunia PSI by downloading an installer and running it.
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genegold99 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I'm confused about icon colors in Win 7/64's Notification Area. After installing v.3 and scanning, the PSI icon turned green. But on restart, it turns red, which in v.2 was a sign that something needed doing. Open the box and it says everything's updated, nothing available. Run a scan anyway and it returns the same message, but now the icon is green.

Something else about running a scan w/o an advanced interface is that if the process seems to hang for awhile midstream, the user has no way of knowing what's going on. That's quite aside from the fact that at least in v.2, running udpates myself in the affected apps was often faster than doing it via PSI - and I could see and control what was happening.
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Leendert Kip PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 27th Feb, 2012 16:38, E.Jeppesen wrote:
Please feel free to let us know about your comments and suggestions.


Hi Emil, now a few days after release of 3.0 Beta and having read the various comments from other forum members I'll now add my comments. I am positive about the way it works now. I'm just a home user and absolutely do not need all the control facilities in 2.4003. So I'm positive for the time being. Up to now I didn't observe any activity by PSI for the simple reason there were no version updates in my system. That PSI no longer tells me in a pop-up that I installed a new program doesn't bother me at all. Therefore, absolutely no reason to revert to 2.0. I'll just wait and see how PSI behaves when there are updates and specially the upcoming Windows updates in the second week of March. However, I can understand that a lot of members really miss the control facilities in 2.0 and I second their suggestions for some redevelopment of 3.0 Beta bringing back some of the facilities of 2.0. It's difficult for Secunia to make everybody happy but maybe there is a way to do something about it. Or Secunia maybe can hoose for keeping v. 2.4003 fully maintained to give those members a choice between both versions. The only thing that irritates me a little is that I must run a manual scan after every reboot of my pc because otherwise the tray icon stays red.


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Ambular RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Definitely needs an Advanced mode with the options for ignore rules and program suggestions reinstated, and the ability to see exactly which programs are being monitored and what is triggering the update notification.

I'd like to be able to see even those problems for which no immediate solution is available, so that I can uninstall the program in question, look for workarounds or at least know that Program X is a likely culprit if a problem should arise.
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CTaylor RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I have been exchanging some emails with support regarding my opinion of the massive changes in v3. I thought I should post here my latest email here too.

Chris

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There are many problems with not showing details. How do I know the program is doing its job? With the details, I can see the list of programs being monitored and all the version info. What about an older program that maybe is just sitting in multiple directories. Let's say it is a portable app that requires no installation, no additions to the registry etc. How do you update it? If it reports it as vulnerable and never updates, how do I find it? Most people will assume PSI is just not reporting correctly. What if they have more than one shortcut and one points to the vulnerable version and they sometimes are running it?

There are comments in the forum from Secunia suggesting that the tech savvy don't need PSI. Not true. I have had it find open source components included with other programs (the video downloading program - TubeSucker). I have had it find security vulnerabilities in programs I would never think to check (like Irfanview). I want the security vulnerability reports. For instance, I have a vulnerable version of Adobe Photoshop Elements (v8). It will never be updated by Adobe. So PSI 3 just sits there saying "Preparing update". I know from the security vulnerability report that I can live with the vulnerability.

I have NEVER installed PSI on ANY computer that did not come up with at least 1 vulnerability found by PSI. It is a godsend!!!

Don't discount the value of the depth and understanding you provided in version 2. I raved about when I wrote a review for the Ottawa PC News - http://opcug.ca/public/Articles/1101.pdf and I rave about it every time I give a security seminar for a branch of the Ottawa Public Library (I have given such seminars 16 times so far)

But if version 3 goes out as-is, I will have to tell people it is better than nothing, but nowhere near as effective as it was in the past.

I thank Secunia profusely for making PSI available for free. But please do not ruin it by dumbing it down just to appease the people who don't want detail. It is not that difficult to understand. Those who are not wont to delve deep into the program probably never even look at the interface anyway. They probably never even notice the tray icon.

Those of us who understand patch management NEED the detail.
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CTaylor RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I am reminded of a situation during the Windows 7 beta. I bugged the fact that they had removed the "activity" action from the tray icon for networking (previous Windows versions showed send and receive activity)

I gave a very detailed bug report (as a Microsoft MVP is wont to do :-) ) and explained why I considered it a security problem - if you are sitting with an idle computer and there is an enourmous amount of network traffic, it bears investigation to see if some piece of malware crap has made it onto your computer.

Well, my bug report got closed with the standard "operating as designed" given whenever Microsoft did something on purpose. Even my follow up to the closing of the bug with "Well, you must want Windows to operate really stupidly then" did not cause Microsoft to consider security before functionality. :-)

My point is - PSI is security software. Security should trump functionality or ease of use/understanding.

And it is not as if the program was even hard to understand!!!!

As suggested by many, at least have an [advanced] tab or button. You could even add a caution when it is clicked that says Here be dragons - only proceed if you think you know what you are doing!

When I used to give security seminars, I would talk about Microsoft's Update site. And then I would squirm as I had to explain what everyone needed to do to make sure their other software was up to date, security-wise. Now I can give them a complete picture on how to secure their computer for free (antivirus, antispyware, firewall, patch management). I hope I don't have to add caveats to my conversation.

Let me reiterate - I think Secunia has done the world an ENOURMOUS service in making PSI available for home use for free. It is a fantastic gift and is helping to make the Internet a safer place. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Ambular RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Just wanted to add a request: if you choose to go ahead without reinstating the advanced features, then I beg you, when this version comes out of beta, make it an *optional* update so that those of us who need the old features can continue to use them!
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NergalDiCuthah RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 1st Mar, 2012 23:53, Ambular wrote:
Just wanted to add a request: if you choose to go ahead without reinstating the advanced features, then I beg you, when this version comes out of beta, make it an *optional* update so that those of us who need the old features can continue to use them!

I'm with the majority of the rest of the posters. The Interfaceless design, while "easier to understand" for novices, is terrible. Without the ability to Exclude software (necessary if you run an end of life program), to see all installed programs and versions (multiple occurrences of flash for instance, one in the normal place, one in my html editor, three in my offline files, all need to be updated (copy paste) separately), PSI has become, basically a useless updater that only updates based on security, instead of a powerhouse of patch and program management.
on top of that, I actually often use the so called "useless features" of vuln reports per program,

This all harkens back to the introduction of 2.x which stripped out the simple vs advanced interfaces. The backlash of Oh goodness 2.x is confusing has lead to this lack of any interface.

On top of that I don't want to be autoupdated, there's no way to turn that off. I want my computers to be able to tell me when something, lets say firefox, has been installed on a maalsone aso I can UNINSTALL IT.
Yes, someone can come at me and say "well you should be using CSI, not PSI."
I was informed by Secunia Sales that an operation as small as mine ( <30 computers) wouldn't benefit from the cost basis of CSI and I should continue using PSI on all my machines.

We were pushed off version 1.x, I assume we will at some point be pushed off V2.x fo v3.x.
If this happens I will be forced to stop using PSI all together, which is a shame because it has made my patching duties possible.
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oleczek RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Well, Version 3 lasted on my computer for about 5 minutes. When I saw that it tries to update my JDK1.5 , it was task manager, end process, control panel, uninstall, get version 2.

I have absolutely no intention of going to version 3, unless it includes advanced features.

Olek
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UziUzi RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.”
Alfred Einstein. *Some smart guy from the past

Well, I was excited to hear a new beta was out after seeing mention of it on
The Register web site.
Being a long time user of Secunia and all...

Within 10 minutes of install it was gone. I reverted to 2.x
Luckily that was easy as pie, the 2.x safely uninstalled Beta 3 and all seems fine again.

I won't try to repeat all that was said before. Just that the simplistic, in the extreme,
interface was a total turn off to this user.

I strongly disagree that dumbing something down to that extent is prudent and wise or
even desirable.
IF a PC user is so daft as to be so slow to only be satisfied with virtually no information
provided, then that user is a danger to us all.

I say that as a PC user since the early 80's. Yah, I'm geeky but not any super tech.
I expect some useful input from any program I run. Else why bother.
If I wanted a red box on the screen with a white button in the middle that just said 'All
is okay if you just keep pushing this' I'd use a IPAD. (Yah, I own one I can say that).
Or I'd go back to playing WoW, which was reduced to that status.

You should take a page from Alfred Einstein, someone you might learn from.
HE once said, so legend says:
“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.”

You at Secunia I would applaud for looking for a way to present the information
in a Simpler fashion, yet you have gone to a idiotic extreme with 3.0 as it stands.
The desired goal is to also educate the software user, not keep them as stupid
as shoals all their lives.

If you seek to make a simpler version. Offer it with two interfaces how hard is that?
One for the person who doesn't want to know anything or is too daft to read at a 6th grade
level or higher, and one for the person that wants control and input that they find useful, and seeks to know at least a little something.


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Transparency RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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There is a major factor being missed by the Secunia developer team: long term credibility.

It is the tech community (some of the ones complaining included) that use/review/recommend/audit the quality of a product. This carries enormous, but intangible clout to PSI's success. We install this on all our customers' computers we fix, for example.

Secunia has built a bank vault of gold nuggets of credibility and trust from its advanced users who know PSI's place, as well as its limitations.

If this iteration goes forward with no transparency, how will those "advanced users" who recommend the product, any longer (easily) know if Secunia is doing a good or bad job at detection?.People have always been given the ability to see exactly PSI's limitations and its star power. The latter category shines through and has created a large contingent of devoted advocates like myself.

How will the reviewers know if it is timely finding or not finding needed patches of all the obscure products in the future? Not easily, I'm afraid.

How about the abusing home computers' privacy (like Facebook, Google, etc. try every couple of years)? Lack of transparency is what leads towards this model.

This "blinded PSI model," if it is ever finalized, tempts future employees of the company to sell its product to an unsavory company for unspeakable profit, a company that has less interest in the user at heart.(like Google).

And how much is it worth to be to leave a security flaw intact for a week, a month, whilst keeping the interface green? The green would then only mean the money being raked in to compromise millions of computers.

This is the fine line between security and selling out (becoming a purveyor of infection) for enormous profit. Secunia cannot afford to allow this perception to even begin to percolate in the computer community.

No, Secunia's company credibility depends on showing what is being exploited and allowing the tech community to continue to see what an excellent job PSI is doing.

So many things start out in this world with purer motives and get perverted over time. It is always lack of transparency that is the first step in the degenerational process.

The major value of offering such a free product is the company name being spread as a leading authority in the field of security. Blinding PSI instantly reduces that name to those very folks (the tech savvy ones) whose business model your company depends for its other products which make the money!

The answer becomes obvious then. Having the dumbed down, plus advance option gets worldwide applause. It gives continued thanks, as well as a massive credibility boost, not the opposite. It accomplishes the best of motives that 3.0 provides without compromising the credibility that removal of transparency (and accompanying knowledge of what the programs lacks) gives.
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mogs RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I cannot believe for one moment that the extensive beta testing of psi 2.0 and the tremendous input, coupled with Secunia's attentiveness, resulting in the psi 2.0.0.4003 as is......is likely to be thrown away and wasted......but there again, what's the effect of extensive research into global vulnerabilties, if the majority have free access to a program they won't use. Trust has got to start somewhere....better my security providor and Secunia than a sometimes ethical hacker ?
Something not too high to reach for...for beginners.....and A for Advanced credibility....some profit for Secunia ?!

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RalphS61 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 28th Feb, 2012 06:54, Leendert Kip wrote:
Hi Maurice, What I didn't know at the moment I wrote my comments is that you can got to the Forum via 'Do you need Help?' This get you to the Secunia home page, select 'community', select 'forum' and log in.



None of that is on my screen for PSI. the help link doe not work.
Vista ultimate x32 IE9. there is very little informatin at all in teh interface.
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RalphS61 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 28th Feb, 2012 00:04, Maurice Joyce wrote:
@mogs
U can do a little bit of testing of PSI 3. The new manual clearly states this:

If you already have a Secunia Community Profile it can be recovered by entering your
username and the email address associated to it.
Visit the Secunia Community at: http://secunia.com/community/login/

I believe U are unregistered so does it now work?



The upgrade should have brought all this over. Since there are no links in the screen for anything but HELP and Scan Again, I had to build a NEW profile. I had the old one for 2+ years and I didn't have this particular one memorized. The upgrade should have asked me the pertinent questions and also show MORE info on the user interface.

NOT HAPPY!
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bhenshaw RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I have read through some of these posts an am still confused.

Is it possible to turn off auto updates for all programs?

I never let a program update automatically. I want to be told an update is available and then do some research as to whether or not that update is one that I should apply. Often companies put out updates that break the product it is supposed to be fixing.

I think that being able to turn off auto update as you can in verion 2.0 is a critical feature.

On another note... why not have an interface with two settings. Have it default to "simple" mode (the current beta mode) and also have an "advanced" mode with more information (similar to version 2.0).

Thanks,

Bill
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e1haskins2 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Hey guys I like the work that you have done in PSI. I am certainly NOT adverse to paying for the information that PSI 2.0 provided, by way of an Advanced menu that showed what was needed. Sadly my place of work DOES run a few outdated programs and having the granular control to actually see what they are ( and consequntly how far out of date they are) is VERY important. I will continue to try the PSI 3.0 during the next week or two, but I really want to know what it is doing.

Keep on keeping on!
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Nergali RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 5th Mar, 2012 01:27, bhenshaw wrote:
I have read through some of these posts an am still confused.

Is it possible to turn off auto updates for all programs?

Hi, Bill the Current form of PSI 3.0 has no options and thus as far as the majority of us can tell, there is no turning on or off of Auto, it just autos anything that it is able (and I assume uses Secunia's newly reported on custom installers)
on 5th Mar, 2012 01:27, bhenshaw wrote:

I never let a program update automatically. I want to be told an update is available and then do some research as to whether or not that update is one that I should apply. Often companies put out updates that break the product it is supposed to be fixing.

Me either, for nearly the same reasons
on 5th Mar, 2012 01:27, bhenshaw wrote:

I think that being able to turn off auto update as you can in verion 2.0 is a critical feature.

This
on 5th Mar, 2012 01:27, bhenshaw wrote:

On another note... why not have an interface with two settings. Have it default to "simple" mode (the current beta mode) and also have an "advanced" mode with more information (similar to version 2.0).

That's the hope of an overwhelming number of posters in this thread.

Also I (as can be seen above from the simularly named poster) was forced into making a new account, when I installed 3 lucky for me when I returned to 2 I was able to regain my old account so I deleted the new.
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bhenshaw RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Nergali,

Thanks for the reply.

Well... I hope Secunia hears all these comments and makes some changes. If I can't turn off auto update then I'll not be using PSI any longer. This is a show stopper for me.

Bill
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seldom RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 3rd Mar, 2012 14:43, Transparency wrote:
Secunia has built a bank vault of gold nuggets of credibility and trust from its advanced users who know PSI's place, as well as its limitations.
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The major value of offering such a free product is the company name being spread as a leading authority in the field of security. Blinding PSI instantly reduces that name to those very folks (the tech savvy ones) whose business model your company depends for its other products which make the money!
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The answer becomes obvious then. Having the dumbed down, plus advance option gets worldwide applause. It gives continued thanks, as well as a massive credibility boost, not the opposite. It accomplishes the best of motives that 3.0 provides without compromising the credibility that removal of transparency (and accompanying knowledge of what the programs lacks) gives.
This guy nailed it.
In my opinion the current move is - no offense - just plain stupid. You, Secunia, already have us (the techy savvy ones). You already have our trust. We were the ones who actually made Secunia (or at least the PSI) popular. Why you try to chase us away? Why are you aimed at losing a big amount of your current user base?

I mean you are at a perfect position: PSI is getting more and more popular, tech savvy people increasingly suggest PSI and bring it to the PCs around them. The only issue was that the "less technically confident users" could possibly click on the tiny icon in the systray and then get confused. So you could fight this problem by providing a light version which has the simple GUI. Call it SVK (Simple Vulnerability Killer) or whatever. Or you could just add a simple GUI to the PSI which is enabled as default.
But what do you do? You replace the current...I say "leading"...patch management tool for private users with a "simple updater for software with exploits". You simply throw away all the already consisting data and tables and stuff which differentiates the old PSI from the new. Which made it useable for the "we know what we're doing and we want to know what PSI is doing too"-group by providing control. It's like you release an update for the Nero Burning Rom suite with all its hundreds features and options and replace it with a simple "Click here to start burning." utility. You click it and after a while the text changes to "Burning complete. Have a nice day." It's sort of a hit in the face. It's the reason why you made me register an account here and write this long post. It's the reason why you get all the passionate posts by passionate users. Because we care just the same as you do. But we do not only want to suggest PSI to our friends, we actually want to use it ourselves.

And yes, we all know that bringing PSI to the mainstream users all over the world is of great benefit for the overall security level. And yeah, it's also obvious that with the current "tech savvy guy suggests PSI to non tech savvy friends"-approach it takes quite way too long to achieve this goal. Making PSI simple and giving the simple version to OEMs, banks, etc. is of course a great idea. But this does not mean you have to turn PSI's target audience completely upside down. Just widen it.
I don't know if you do not have enough resources to feed both user groups at the same time. But you have a grand opportunity to make both of us happy. Actually it's so simple I don't understand why you made the current move with PSI 3.0 and did not tackle the possibility to kill two birds with one stone.
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Member 6th Mar, 2012 09:13
Hi,

Thank you all for your feedback.

Your concerns and comments are known to the development team as well as the people responsible for these decisions.

We are currently considering how your requests and wishes can be integrated with the new approach to the PSI, and we appriciate you voicing your concerns.

Hopefully, by the final release, everyone will be satisfied with the result.
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M.Stengaard RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Dear all,

Thank you for your feedback. It is now more than a week ago that we launched the PSI 3.0 Beta, and we have been following the debate on the forum closely.

As I wrote in a blog post last week (http://secunia.com/blog/306/), we believe the users and community are an integral part of the Secunia PSI, and we need and highly appreciate your help in testing the new solution. So I am happy to see that so many of you have been kind enough to raise your concerns with the PSI 3.0 and that you provide suggestions to how this can be improved. Thank you!

As Emil has already pointed out, all of your comments are being taken into consideration for the design of the final product. And the ‘Advanced mode’ versus ‘Simply mode’ suggestion is indeed a good point, and one that we are considering.

With the PSI 3.0 Beta our goal has been to first get back to a ‘clean sheet of paper’ and to rip out everything that is not directly related to the task of patching your programs – in order to make patching as easy as possible for the average user. You can agree or disagree with this approach - and we did indeed expect that some of you would disagree - but we believe that being disruptive is the only way to make significant changes to how security and patching is handled – and we do indeed want to improve how users work with security.

However, we do acknowledge that many of you prefer to have more control over the patching process, for example by being able to see a full list of all installed programs, switch off auto-update, set ignore rules, and so on. As mentioned we are considering all of this when developing the next version – Beta 2 – although I cannot yet promise exactly how this will look or which features will be included. Also, we have no plans of discontinuing the PSI 2.0, so you will still be able to use this, even after the launch of PSI 3.0.

Thank you again for your feedback, and please keep it coming!

Morten Stengaard
Product Management, Secunia
bhenshaw RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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Emil and Morten,

This is good news indeed!

One thing. It sounds like 3.0 is not really an update to 2.0 then if both products are going to be around. People will think they really should update to 3.0 from 2.0 and they don't really need to if they don't want to. Maybe the products should be renamed. 3.0 could be called something like "PSI" and 2.0 could be called somthing like "PSI Advanced".

In any case, thanks for the info and look forward to seeing the next version of the beta.

Bill
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CTaylor RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 6th Mar, 2012 09:13, wrote:
Hi,

Thank you all for your feedback.

Your concerns and comments are known to the development team as well as the people responsible for these decisions.

We are currently considering how your requests and wishes can be integrated with the new approach to the PSI, and we appriciate you voicing your concerns.

Hopefully, by the final release, everyone will be satisfied with the result.


This is indeed good news.

As a second best to simply having a single version with an "Advanced" mode of operation, I think bhenshaw's suggestion of two separate versions - has some merit. I would not like to see the "Advanced" version at 2.0 and the "Normal" version at 3.0. As was pointed out, lots of people would assume they should "upgrade" to the 3.0 version. As I discovered - it was a rude awakening to discover this was far from an "upgrade" as I use the program.

Thanks again. I really look forward to the next beta build.

Chris
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Vmax96 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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on 28th Feb, 2012 02:03, fizgig wrote:
Like the comment from Irongut.

I agree and is VITAL!.
The product will need to include details, and file location and be still able to do
individually re scan's.

Secunia 1.5 and 2.00 found new updates, but on many occassions, doing a rescan would advise that the old files are still giving false positive. Only by tracing the path can one delete the offending file manually.

If this feature will not be in ver 3. it is no good for me.

Hopefully you will keep updating Ver 2.00 indefinitely.



I totally agree.
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GeorgiaIceCream RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I have uninstalled the Beta. the module psia.exe was active at over 95% CPU for almost an hour until I cancelled it. I saved the psialog.txt file if someone would like to see it.

Other observations:

1) No way to CANCEL a scan once it starts.

2) No way to control which drives/partitions are scanned.

3) No way to easily determine which programs were scanned.
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on 27th Feb, 2012 17:35, wrote:
Hi,
With this release, we aim to satisfy the typical end-user, such as your uncle or grandmother, who may have mad trouble relating to the overflow of information found in the PSI 1.x and 2.x series.

Who do you think installed PSI on the computer of so many "uncles" and "grandmothers"? The experts, of course. Just when I came back today from a weekend vacation I received an email from my father, that something went wrong with the automatic update from PSI. I'm glad, it's V2, so I'm able to look it up and e.g. exempt a problematic program from the updates.

All the people, where I installed PSI V2.X have never ever used the GUI by them self. The relied on me, that I tailor it to their needs.
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Vmax96 RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I switched back to version 2, for the same reasons as the two prior posters.
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dragongild RE: PSI 3.0 is out in beta!
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I tried out the beta today and immediately uninstalled it. I understand the reasoning behind the dumbed-down interface but I would like the ability to retain access to some of the advanced settings, reports, the comparison statistics, etc. I like and regularly use the installed software list and other features, and I want to retain the ability to ignore certain software packages that I know are out of date but for which I accept the risk.

For example, I know my Photo Shop version is out of date but it isn't memory resident and doesn't connect to the network. I don't want to spend the $$$ necessary to upgrade it. Therefore, I accept the risk and I want to configure Secunia PSI to ignore it.

Otherwise, I like the look and feel of the new interface. Maybe some of these advanced features could be added in either through some kind of menu or as right-click options, such as "Ignore this software package", "Additional options ...", "Installed Software List", etc. All the features of 2.0 plus a slick new skin would be great. Otherwise I think your existing user base will miss these features.
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