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taffy078 Windows 7
Contributor 23rd Jun, 2014 09:00
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A PSI scan just now is showing Windows 7 as 'insecure' and provides a link to the Microsoft Update interface.

That shows that my PC was checked at 05:25 today (it's currently 07:52) and that it's up-to-date, that there are no updates available (other than an optional one for Bing.)
It also shows that a Security Update was last installed on 21st June at 10:58 (KB2965788).

Belarc shows that I have Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601).

Is PSI wrong?

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taffy078 RE: Windows 7
Contributor 26th Jun, 2014 12:06
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Just got the update email and for a moment I thought that someone had come to my rescue.

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Maurice Joyce RE: Windows 7
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Nope - Spammer.

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taffy078 RE: Windows 7
Contributor 27th Jun, 2014 14:48
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Now showing 100%.

Auto-updated at 10.30 GMT this morning -
this possibly refers: http://secunia.com/advisories/58583/

But I still don't understand why Microsoft Update site showed it as up-to-date at the time I created this, nor can I understand why no-one else had this problem (or so it feels).

Ah well - all's well etc etc.

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Maurice Joyce RE: Windows 7
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Last edited on 27th Jun, 2014 17:40
I would be seriously looking at how your Windows Update is set up/working.

Why, for example was KB2965788 not installed untill 11 days after release? Which other KB was installed today that cleared down PSI?

Microsoft have not released any updates for Windows 7 since 10th June as can be seen here:

1. I scanned about an hour ago.
2. It shows all my manual installs of Windows update were completed on 10/6/2014
3. KB2965788 was part of my manual installs.


https://1ncuig.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2p3uF47CnrU5...

All the Windows 7 PC's using my SMB console have/are also running perfectly with NO delays in updating.

Not sure why you mentioned Belarc - do you thing that has something to do with it?

When did you last use the Windows Update clean up tool?

Have you checked Windows Update is running correctly via the Action Centre?

Have you checked for error messages relating to this?

Sorry about the edit - corrected a typo.


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taffy078 RE: Windows 7
Contributor 29th Jun, 2014 08:09
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It's taken some time to get through this issue so here goes:

(1) My windows Update Settings are "Install updates automatically (recommended) every day at 07:00. The boxes for 'Recommended Updates', 'Microsoft Update' and 'Software notifications' are checked but the "Who can install" I left unchecked.

(2) I used Belarc to tell me what version of Windows 7 I had, in case that was relevant.

(3) Action Center confirms no Windows Update probpems - no error messages.

(4) Windows Update Clean-Up tool. Thanks for this Maurice - I was not even aware of it, let alone use it! For anyone else in the same position of total ignorance, I followed the instructions here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2852386 and removed 120 mb of dross including 80 mb of system files. How often do you run this for system clean-ups, Maurice? (I use the temporary internet files and other clean-ups every two or three weeks.)

(5) 1. Acccording to the history log on the Update Center, there were 12 updates (10 Important and 2 Recommended) on the 11th June, KB2592687 (Optional) was installed on the 20th June and KB2965788 (Important) was installed on the 21st June
2. PSI doesn't show dates when a program has been patched by my initial post gives some clues.
3. I found within the Win7 program a folder "WindowsUpdate Notepad June 2014". This is far too long to post but it does show several "download failures" before, eventually "success". Should/can I send this to Microsoft to be evaluated?

(P.S. I sometimes show my frustration with PCs - trying to sort out a problem usually highlight other issues and so it has happened again. To post screen shots, I use picamatic but haven't done so for a while - my saved link to http://www.picamatic.com/ just now returned HTTP 500, a server issue, but their .es site works. And then there's the latest email from Microsoft announcing that "as of July 1, 2014, due to changing governmental policies concerning the issuance of automated electronic messaging, Microsoft is suspending the use of email notifications . . . ". )

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Maurice Joyce RE: Windows 7
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Last edited on 29th Jun, 2014 10:26
It could be that your Windows Update was a "one off" event - just needs monitoring on the next patch Tuesday. If it occurs again perhaps a good idea to forward the details to Microsoft.

From what you are saying I would highly recommend you put Godmode on your desktop - that is an easy reference to all things on your PC.

For example to check your OS details is easy.

Winkey+R>in the run box that appears type msinfo32>hit Enter - this offers much more than Belarc

Winkey+Pause/Break takes you direct to more information & allows the checking of the Windows Experience Index.

I have an easy script to set up Godmode if required.

I use the Windows Clean Up Tool daily - it works silently by schedule at 2300 hours. I also have it pinned to the Start Menu & carry out an occasional manual check.

If you are having issues with a third party programme is there a reason why you are not using Microsoft One Drive? It is free & I believe it now offers everyone 15GB of storage. You can launch screen shots from there as I do without hassle. Example - is this like your Windows Update settings?

https://1ncuig.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2pzw8KI6YppQ...

The email from Microsoft offered an RSS feed in lieu commencing 1/7/2014 - once that is set up you should not have issues reading the same detail.

Hope this helps.

EDIT

Just to clarify is this the update log you are referring to:

Winkey+R>type in windowsupdate.log>hit enter

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taffy078 RE: Windows 7
Contributor 29th Jun, 2014 13:32
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thanks for the advice Maurice - I'll certainly follow them up asap.

yes - the Update log is the same one that I get via Windows/Programs.

BTW I just shut down and got the "Do not power off - installing updates". That confused me as I wasn't expecting any updates so I powered up again but couldn't find any updates. I presume it was auctioning the Update Clean-Up tool changes.

PS I've just been reminded that someone switched off the power to the laptop by mistake a few weeks ago. The first I knew about it was the problem when I tried to power-up - the battery was 99% flat. At the time I would not have been aware of any updates.

If that was around the time of the updates, that could have caused the problems couldn't it.

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Maurice Joyce RE: Windows 7
Handling Contributor 30th Jun, 2014 11:09
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Whoops - forgot to warn you that on occasions you do get the Windows "do not turn off your PC" message after a clear out.

Your theory about the battery is a possibility hence my advice to keep an eye on what happens on the next round of Windows Update. I always manually update all my PC's with the power cord connected & charging because of the caveat MS use re turning off the PC during the update sequence.

I have revised my information on Godmode if you want to try/use it.

GODMODE

Godmode Works with:

1.Windows 7/8/8.1.1 - 32 & 64 bit systems.
2.Vista 32 Bit. There are reports of problems using it with the 64 bit system so if you want to try it create a Restore Point that you can access from the Safe Mode.

By using GodMode you have all the Windows tweaks & tasks (over 250 of them) laid in an easy to read format without the need to open the Control Panel & search around for the task you require completed. The window when open also includes Windows Explorer/File Explorer.

If you want to give it a try the setting up is very easy.

1. RIGHT click anywhere on the DESKTOP.
2. From the drop down box select NEW>FOLDER
3. RIGHT click on the new folder created & select PROPERTIES.
4. In the GENERAL tab you will see a box filled in with NEW FOLDER. Delete it.
5. Copy & Paste this into the same box (details MUST BE exactly as shown):

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

6. Click Apply.

Your desktop should now have a folder called GodMode. Click it for any information you require in the future.

Hope this is useful.

Last Reviewed 10:07 30/06/2014 BST





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Anthony Wells RE: Windows 7
Expert Contributor 30th Jun, 2014 11:25
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Hi Maurice ,

Just taken the opportunity to set up Godmode as per your instructions .

On my 8.1.1 the "Apply" button did not light but "OK" did do : clicked OK and the folder seems to be correctly set .

Certainly a better layout and display . I do like the the less cryptic language that W8 employs compared to XP , much easier to understand technicalities .

Thank you .

Hi taffy :))

Take care

Anthony

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taffy078 RE: Windows 7
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Thanks Maurice. Much appreciated.

Hi Anthony! :o)

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wr RE: Windows 7
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Hi all

Another thanks from me too Maurice for the instructions on how to setup God Mode. APPLY
didn't light up for me either, so I did as Anthony, clicked
OK & all is golden.

Regards, wr

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Maurice Joyce RE: Windows 7
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Last edited on 4th Jul, 2014 09:21
@taffy078

Please note MS have changed their mind on email notifications:

Notice to IT Professionals:

On June 27, 2014, we notified customers that we were suspending Microsoft security notifications by email due to changing Governmental policies concerning the issuance of automated electronic messaging. We have reviewed our processes and are resuming security notifications by email commencing with the release of this monthly Advanced Notification Service (ANS) mailing.


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taffy078 RE: Windows 7
Contributor 4th Jul, 2014 10:44
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thanks Maurice. I'm not an IT Professional - you know that! - but Microsoft don't, so it's silly that they included me in their 27th June email distribution but not this latest one!

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