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Forum Thread: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI

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Leftcoast_Dave Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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This is in regards to Win XP (sp3)

Seems there's some overlap in functionality between Mike Lin's Startup Monitor and Secunia PSI when left resident, namely looking for changes within the registry that affect what gets kicked in on reboots. Mike's program takes up little memory, as opposed to Secunia (for the resident functionality). Questions are:
1) Does Secunia PSI cover everything that Startup Monitor does in this regard?

2) What does it miss?

Summarizing the two questions, then, does it even make sense to keep the two programs resident? (Of course, Lin's would always stay resident).

TIA,
LC

Maurice Joyce RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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What PSI does is explained here:
http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal...

I cannot see any real link. Download Start Up Control Panel looks to be a variation of Windows Admin Tools Services where U can control the start up menu.

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Leftcoast_Dave RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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Last edited on 17th Aug, 2009 19:34
Many thanks for the interest and reply-

Guess I'm not quite getting across what I mean. Mike Lin has a couple of "Startup" utilities. His "Startup Control Panel" helps one easily see, and toggle, programs that start-boot through the obvious Startup folders (both user and common), or through HKLM/Run and HKCU/Run, as well as a "Run Once" area of the registry.

His "Startup Monitor" flags attempts to alter the registry in spots that his "Startup Control Panel" gives one toggle-control, and then some. It has been particularly useful(to me) in preventing trojans and unnecessary junk (e.g., some Adobe and Apple products) from getting a toehold. It has a very small footprint.

AFAIK, this particular functionality cannot be achieved by toggling services. Further, Mike's Startup Monitor alerts me the moment something is trying to change a registry value.

So my question is, when leaving Secunia PSI resident, do I get a broader, smaller, or even different monitoring of events that entail alteration of registry values?

Again, many thanks - Dave

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wr RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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Evidently the forest is getting in the way of you being able to see the trees. If you had clicked on the link provided by Maurice Joyce, you'd be able to tell that these are 2 different programs. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other-Mike Lin's Startup Monitor can't tell you of vulnerabilities & give you a suggestion as to how to 'repair' them-the Secunia PSI can & does-very well I might add. If your argument is whether to have the PSI 'resident' or not, you can do this in the Settings tab & only have the PSI scan @ your discretion. I have copied the paragraph from the link that Maurice provided so you might read & comprehend.
The Secunia PSI is an invaluable tool for you to use when assessing the security patch state of software installed on your system. It constantly monitors your system for insecure software installations, notifies you when an insecure application is installed, and even provides you with detailed instructions for updating the application when available.

It is NOT the purpose of the Secunia PSI to detect whether your system has already been compromised or if local changes, settings, or missing requirements could cause the Secunia PSI to report incorrect results. The Secunia PSI relies on the meta-data of executables and library files. The Secunia PSI does NOT conduct an integrity check of the individual files, rather, it checks whether a specific program is vulnerable according to the reported version numbers and not whether the files have been compromised or replaced by other users or programs.

The Secunia PSI is not a replacement for other security measures such as anti-virus or personal firewalls, the Secunia PSI is a great supplement to other security measures such as anti-virus and personal firewalls as it helps preventing exploitation of often overlooked exposures.

Additionally, it is important to understand that the process of identifying insecure software installations on any system involves many different factors and, in rare cases, may result in incorrect detections. Should you encounter such a situation, please send us your feedback and all relevant information at support@secunia.com.

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Maurice Joyce RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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@wr
There are two threads running on this subject. I have asked Secunia support to get someone to answer in a factual way.

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wr RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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Thanks Maurice,
Of course I'll follow your lead but will stay subscribed here to follow the outcome. Hope I didn't overstep my boundaries.

Regards, wr

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E.Jeppesen RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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The Secunia PSI haven't got much to do with "StartupMonitor".
By default the Secunia PSI will be running in the background. This means that the user will get a pop-up if a new program is detected or if a previously detected program can no longer be found. It also means that the PSI will do an automatic full system scan every 7th day and alert the user if any vulnerable or end-of-life programs is detected.
This behavior however can easily be changed in the Settings-tab if the user so prefer.

I hope this clarifies why the Secunia PSI runs in the background by default.
Leftcoast_Dave RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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Last edited on 19th Aug, 2009 21:12
Thank you. There is an "Enable program monitoring" option on the "Settings" tab. How much of the OS is monitored if this is clicked on? Changes to the registry?

XP Pro (sp3); XP Home (sp3)
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Maurice Joyce RE: Mike Lin's Startup Monitor & Secunia PSI
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I think we have told U the answer on exactly what PSI does. U can only really do 3 things if U are insistant they do not answer your query.

1. Email Secunia Support - doubt they will tell U much more because the Secunia Representative I asked to look at this thread will receive the email.

2 Match the dependency modules of each programme againt each other. That will tell U if an overlap exists. A fair bit of work & not something I wish to get involved in because it is not vulnerability related.

3. Switch off PSI.

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