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newby JAVA UPDATES
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Secunia notification said I had two programs that needed updating, namely: Sun Java JRE 1.6x/6.x (64 bit)
Sun Java JRE 1.6.x/6x

Yesterday I clicked on JRE 1.6x/6.6.x (64 bit)and updated. (I have a HP Vista Home Premium - dual core 64 bit computer). I wasn't offered the chance to do the second update. Today I recanned and Secunia showed no insecured programs.

Before updating the Control Panel showed: JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)
and JAVA (TM) 6 Update 16.

Control Panel now shows: JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)
JAVA (TM) 6 Update 17

Question: Why didn't the JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit) update but the other one did?

Questions: Do I need JAVA (TM) 6 Update 17?

If I do not need Update 17, do I uninstall it from the
ADD/REMOVE in Control Panel?

Is there an update for the JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)?

I hope the above info. isn't too confusing but would like to know what to do to make sure everything is updated and to make sure that I have only what I need. Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. Newby




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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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I have included my complete JAVA fix. U may only need Part 2 - Updating

CLEARING OUT OLD JAVA DROSS
===========================

JAVA now use an Uninstaller as part of the install process.

It works very well but ONLY removes the previous version.

To ensure U have no previous dross from very old versions on your PC & to make updating easier for the future I would recommend:

1.Install or double check U have the latest JAVA version (Currently Version 6 Update 17)from here:
http://www.java.com/en/

Once the update is complete go to Control Panel>JAVA icon>Update Tab and take the tick out of box marked "Check for updates auto ....." (This will prevent a an unnecessary file from starting each time U switch on your PC - PSI is already doing this job for U)


2. Now remove all the old dross from older versions.

The tool will do the job by deleting useless files from previous installs except for the version U have just installed

http://raproducts.org/

*This link takes U to the site - select the Windows Binary (zip) option.
*This will lead U to Sourceforge.net to download it.
*Save the download to desktop.
*Activate the desktop zip icon which exposes the JAVARA EXE file. Click it
*Select RUN when asked.
*Select your language.
*The tool will now appear on the desktop - select REMOVE OLDER VERSIONS
*Once complete select ADDITIONAL TASKS - tick all boxes & activate.
*Right click on the desktop JAVARA zip file & delete it.

3. If U wish to test your JAVA is working correctly use this test link: http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

FUTURE UPDATING OF JAVA.
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ

Now U have cleared the dross future updating is easy & should not include the procedure outlined above. All U will need to do is:

1. Go to Start>Control Panel>click on the JAVA icon>select the Update tab>click the Update Now button.

2. Once the update is complete go to Control Panel>JAVA icon>Update Tab and take the tick out of box marked "Check for updates auto ....." (This will prevent a an unnecessary file from starting each time U switch on your PC - PSI is already doing this job for U)

3. If U prefer not to have the JAVA icon in the System Tray when in use, open the Advanced Tab>look for Miscellaneous>click the + sign & then remove the tick from clearly marked box.

4. If U wish to test your JAVA is working correctly use this test link: http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml


By using this recommended method the previous version will be automatically uninstalled & U are guaranteed to get the correct version for your OS.







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Anthony Wells RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Hello Newby ,

If you will excuse my intrusion , this is the thread you had when you had the Java problem at an earlier date ;-

http://secunia.com/community/forum/thread/show/294...

Unless your situation has changed , then your version of IE is still 32 bit and you need :

Java (TM) 6 update 17

you do not need :

Java (TM) 6 update 15 (64 bit) - it is also insecure and should be removed .


I am sure Maurice Joyce will correct me if I am wrong .

Take care
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on 12th Nov, 2009 17:05, newby wrote:
Secunia notification said I had two programs that needed updating, namely: Sun Java JRE 1.6x/6.x (64 bit)
Sun Java JRE 1.6.x/6x

Yesterday I clicked on JRE 1.6x/6.6.x (64 bit)and updated. (I have a HP Vista Home Premium - dual core 64 bit computer). I wasn't offered the chance to do the second update. Today I recanned and Secunia showed no insecured programs.

Before updating the Control Panel showed: JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)
and JAVA (TM) 6 Update 16.

Control Panel now shows: JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)
JAVA (TM) 6 Update 17

Question: Why didn't the JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit) update but the other one did?

Questions: Do I need JAVA (TM) 6 Update 17?

If I do not need Update 17, do I uninstall it from the
ADD/REMOVE in Control Panel?

Is there an update for the JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)?

I hope the above info. isn't too confusing but would like to know what to do to make sure everything is updated and to make sure that I have only what I need. Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. Newby



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newby RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Thank you Maurice & Anthony. I do not find an update tab in the Control Panel in regard to JAVA. I find uninstall,change, or repair. I may be looking in the wrong place though. Newby

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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Can U see the JAVA icon in Control Panel? It is clearly marked JAVA & has a "steaming teacup" logo.

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newby RE: JAVA UPDATES
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I do see the steaming teacup on JAVA but still can't find the update tab. I right click on it and there is an uninstall option. I left click and JAVA is highlighted. I think I am missing that tab. My computer is Windows Vista and I am looking in the Control Panel - Programs and Features - Uninstall a Program. Am I looking in the wrong place? Newby

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Jwaka RE: JAVA UPDATES
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on 13th Nov, 2009 23:32, newby wrote:
I do see the steaming teacup on JAVA but still can't find the update tab. I right click on it and there is an uninstall option. I left click and JAVA is highlighted. I think I am missing that tab. My computer is Windows Vista and I am looking in the Control Panel - Programs and Features - Uninstall a Program. Am I looking in the wrong place? Newby


Don't go into the "Programs and Features - Uninstall a Program" section of the Control Panel - that's the section you would use to completely uninstall a program (similar to what used to be "Add or Remove Programs" in XP). Just open the main control panel Window from the Start menu, make sure you are on "Classic View," and Java will have its own icon. Double-click on that and it will open the Java application, within which will be the update tab.


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Thank you, Jwaka, Maurice,& Anthony. I finally found the JAVA update tab. I really appreciate all of your help and for you patience with an old lady. Hopefully, I can get the JAVA issue fixed now. Newby

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Background:
Secunia has recently advised that Java 6 Update 16 is insecure. "Download Solution" links to a manual installation of Update 17. Java 6 Update 17 can also be found under "Downloads" on the Sun Java website.

Maurice Joyce has posted detailed instructions on how to remove old java, install new java, and maintain automatic java updates using the Java Applet in the Windows Control Panel. I use auto updates.

Issue:
I have Java 6 Update 16 installed. I have been using automatic updates from the Java Applet for months now, and it has been working just fine. However, there appears to be a current problem with the Java website and Applet, because it is still reporting Update 16 as being the latest version.

The Java Test page http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
says "Your Java is Working, Latest Java Installed.
Your Java configuration is as follows: Vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc. Version: Java 6 Update 16 Operating System: Windows Vista 6.0 Architecture: x86
"

Also, when I run the Update from the Java Control Panel Applet, it says "You already have the latest Java(TM) Platform on this system".

What's up with all this confusion? It certainly appears to me that the Java website is out-of-date with itself, providing Update 17 on the downloads page, but leaving the Java Test page and the Java Applet content to report Update 16 as the latest version. I've sent feedback to Java with no replies as of yet. I think I'll just wait & see. I have reset my Java applet to check DAILY, for an automatic update.
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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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I update JAVA as described in my post.

I have just used the test URL I gave in that post and got this result.

YOUR JAVA IS WORKING.

Your Java configuration is as follows:

Vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc. Version: Java 6 Update 17
Operating System: Windows XP 5.1 Architecture: x86


Perhaps best to wait & see what Sun say!

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on 14th Nov, 2009 18:13, Maurice Joyce wrote:


YOUR JAVA IS WORKING.

Your Java configuration is as follows:




Under "YOUR JAVA IS WORKING" which should be blue, it should also say "LATEST JAVA INSTALLED" in orange.

Yes?

Maybe the difference is XP versus Vista. As stated, my Java Applet has not queued me to update Java yet. I'll continue to wait & see. I'll also post any response I happen to get from Sun Java (not holding my breath)...
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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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What I see is as described in blocks in my post. This is confirmed via an add/remove entry & a check of my registry.

Not sure about auto updates because U will note I advise to turn it off. A personal thing in that update notifications constantly use resourses & some go as far as auto updating the registry which I do not allow - this including Microsoft.

Is your Jusched working? The updater is located at:

C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe

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on 14th Nov, 2009 18:44, Maurice Joyce wrote:

Is your Jusched working? The updater is located at:

C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe



Yes. jusched.exe is a running process in task manager.
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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Best wait for Sun as U suggest. Very odd but something similar happened when updating from 15 to 16.

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newby RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Thanks for all the information. It is most confusing to say the least - perhaps not to you computer geeks but it is for me. I have save the info. but that doesn't mean I will not be back on for another question. Newby

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Anthony Wells RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Hello Newby ,

All the posts in between this post and your previous one actually relate to a different problem to yours and which is being experienced by David Baldwin - it might have been better placed in a separate thread ; so you could ignore that part and carry on with setting the updater , now you have found it .

It would seem that the your update worked Ok this time , as you have updated to Java(TM) 6 update 17 correctly - the one you need for the IE 32 bit that you use . So you can just get rid of/remove the update 15 (64bit) , as you don't need it , and set your future updates as Maurice has suggested , now that Jwaka has helped you find the correct tab .

Ask again if anything is not clear.

Take care
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Anthony Wells RE: JAVA UPDATES
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For David Baldwin , Newby can ignore this ,

Maurice Joyce's link tells you if you have "the" latest version of Java installed :-

http://www.java.com/en/

Your link says which is "your" latest version installed :-

http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

The wording is different , how do the sites respond to you (like Maurice Joyce , I'm on XP SP3)??

They both show me with update 17 using Firefox . Chrome is slightly different for the first link .

Anthony

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Anthony, thank you! Newby

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on 14th Nov, 2009 23:55, Anthony Wells wrote:

Maurice Joyce's link tells you if you have "the" latest version of Java installed :-
http://www.java.com/en/

Your link says which is "your" latest version installed :-
http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

The wording is different , how do the sites respond to you (like Maurice Joyce , I'm on XP SP3)??


Anthony,
Thanks for the clarification.
www.java.com/en then following the link "Do I have Java?" reveals:

Verifying Java Version

Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
Your Java version is Version 6 Update 16

Please click the button below to get the recommended Java for your computer.
NOTE: If you recently completed your Java software installation, you may need to restart your browser (close all browser windows and re-open) before verifying your installation.


As you stated, http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
states MY java version (yes, the wording is deceptive/confusing)

Nevertheless, "Update Now" in the Java Control Panel still says:
"You already have the latest Java(TM) Platform on this system"

DB
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Anthony Wells RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Hello DB ,

At least one bit of the jigshaw fits ; I haven't a clue as to how to resolve/repair the update link in you Java console :(

Anthony

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on 15th Nov, 2009 06:21, davidbaldwin wrote:
Anthony,
As you stated, http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
states MY java version (yes, the wording is deceptive/confusing)

Nevertheless, "Update Now" in the Java Control Panel still says:
"You already have the latest Java(TM) Platform on this system"

DB


Guess what Anthony, something weird...
I'm now on a different computer (laptop, Win2000, IE6, Java 6 updt 15)

When I visit http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
I get the following:

Your Java is working (displayed in large java blue)
Java update available (displayed in java orange)
Your Java configuration is as follows: Vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc. Version: Java 6 Update 15 Operating System: Windows 2000 5.0 Architecture: x86

So, that page in fact DOES tell you if it determines you are running an older version of java. It doesn't simply state the latest version. This is good, but it also proves that the java website is not completely up-to-date, because on my Vista machine running update 16 it said "Latest Java Installed" but on this laptop running update 15 it says "Java update available". It's a valid webpage for determining that your version is old, but it's obviously not perfectly current.

All that said, the Java Control Panel Update Now button still reports "You already have the latest Java(TM) Platform on this system".
So whatever it checks when you tell it to update seems to be two versions behind. Hard to believe. Also no reponse from Sun Java (not hard to believe).
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Anthony Wells RE: JAVA UPDATES
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It seems that "your" link is showing , in my words , "your latest" version , however "old" that may be ; although the different OS seem to generate slightly different messages .

Using the links in the order of Maurice Joyce's script seems to avoid confusion regarding "the" latest version made available by Sun/Java .

Hope you resolve the update button problem .

Take care
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lilkoala RE: JAVA UPDATES
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I have the same problem as Newbie. I followed Maurices instructions and secunia still shows the 2 Sun Java JRE 1.6.x/6.x (requires uninstall)
That version is not in my uninstall programs list.
I also have a threat for Adobe Reader 8.x
I don't have 8.x installed. I have Adobe reader 9.0 installed.
Any suggestions??
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Anthony Wells RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Hello lilkoala ,

If you are new to PSI , here are some tips for using PSI "advanced" mode :-

To help resolve your problem , here are some instructions to help you first of all get the best out of PSI :-

1)use PSI in "advanced" mode ;
2)in the "settings" tab make sure that the box in the first/upper section is NOT ticked in order to have the maximum info available ;
3)tell us in which "tab(s)" your problem programme is located ;
4)in that tab , click on the + in the box at the left end of the programme , the page will expand ;
5)in the expanded page , tell us what is written in the "installation path" ;
6)in the "toolbox" section , lower down , the link "technical details" should confirm the installation path details ;
7)click on the link "open folder" and you will see more details concerning the location of the "problem" .

If you are unable to resolve the problem yourself , all this info should allow someone on the forum to help/advise you .


Take care
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on 12th Nov, 2009 17:05, newby wrote:
Secunia notification said I had two programs that needed updating, namely: Sun Java JRE 1.6x/6.x (64 bit)
Sun Java JRE 1.6.x/6x

Yesterday I clicked on JRE 1.6x/6.6.x (64 bit)and updated. (I have a HP Vista Home Premium - dual core 64 bit computer). I wasn't offered the chance to do the second update. Today I recanned and Secunia showed no insecured programs.

Before updating the Control Panel showed: JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)
and JAVA (TM) 6 Update 16.

Control Panel now shows: JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)
JAVA (TM) 6 Update 17

Question: Why didn't the JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit) update but the other one did?

Questions: Do I need JAVA (TM) 6 Update 17?

If I do not need Update 17, do I uninstall it from the
ADD/REMOVE in Control Panel?

Is there an update for the JAVA (TM) 6 Update 15 (64 bit)?

I hope the above info. isn't too confusing but would like to know what to do to make sure everything is updated and to make sure that I have only what I need. Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. Newby



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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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@Ulia
Why are U quoting @Newby & writing nothing?

All U are doing is clogging our mail boxes with junk mail

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Maurice,
Thank you for the info on advanced. The issues are in the insecure programs tab. There are 3.
C:\Program files\Adobe\reader8.0\reader\acrord32.exe
In the add/remove programs, this file doesn't exist. When i follow the link to fix it, I get an error on the install that says "The upgrade patch cannot be installed because the program may be missing or the upgrade patch may update a different version. Verify that the program exists and you have the correct upgrade patch"

The other two issues are the Sun Java. Same issue on the path. I followed your previous instruction on updating the newest version, removing the old versions but I still get the errors.
tech details: C:\Program files\Java\jre1.6.0_06/bin\java.exe
I tried the patch but there are so many options that I don't want to download the wrong thing.
Last week I ran Advanced Care registry cleaner and it jazzed up my computer. Could this be part of that? I have since uninstalled the program.
thanks for your help.
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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
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The Adobe file will not be in add/remove. Is Adobe 8 Reader there? If so uninstall it.

While in add/remove can U see Adobe Download Manager? If so remove it.

If neither is true use this tool:

Windows Installer Cleanup Utility
=======================

If a programme is installed using Windows Installer it can be removed by using the Microsoft Cleanup Utility.

Download it from here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301

Once downloaded, open the programme & scroll up & down looking for the programme U wish to uninstall.

If found,highlight it & click the remove button (bottom right)

Reboot then rescan with PSI.

All should now be OK - if not what is the path to the problem

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lilkoala RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Ok, so I ran the windows install clean up and none of the programs were listed there. The newer versions were there, adobe reader 9 and sunjava 17.
The problem must be in the registry and I"m a little nervous poking around in there unless I have good instructions on what to do.
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Maurice Joyce RE: JAVA UPDATES
Handling Contributor 23rd Nov, 2009 17:46
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OK - I understand that.

Can U please run a full PSI scan. Once complete please post the exact path PSI points to for the vulnerability.

FINDING A VULNERABILITY FILE PATH
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To locate the exact file that the Secunia PSI has detected, use or switch to the ADVANCED interface, then :

1 Click on the + sign of the programme to "expand' it.
2 Click on Technical Details in the Toolbox to see the installation path of the detected file. (Copy (CTRL+C) & paste (CTRL+V) the Installation Path of the file back to the Forum.

I appreciate U have given a path before but I am just confirming the exact detail as published by PSI.


16:44 23/11/2009


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lilkoala RE: JAVA UPDATES
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Ok, here goes:

tech details shows for the Adobe reader 8.0
version detected: 8.1.0.137
Installation path:
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\AcroRD32.exe

Sunjava JRE 1.6x tech details
Version detected: 6.0.70.6
Installation path:
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.0.6_07\bin\java.exe

and the second sunjava jre issue is:
Version detected: 6.0.60.2
Installation path:
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.0.6_06\bin\java.exe
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