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Forum Thread: jave & etc.

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cybersurfer jave & etc.
Member 5th May, 2010 03:49
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Several months ago after reading good reviews of Secunia PSI & after my filehippo updater quit, I installed Secunia & stuck with the simple mode for quite some time.
A couple months back I decided to check out the Advanced Mode.
Long story short, I know my java is updated & old ones uninstalled yet it still tells me its out dated.
Ditto for Macromedia, Adobe Shockwave & others.
I've got very little patience left for this program & am about to delete it.
Never had these problems with filehippo.

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wr RE: jave & etc.
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You're comparing apples to oranges.

Secunia PSI checks for vulnerabilities. Filehippo checks for updates.
There is a difference.

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cybersurfer RE: jave & etc.
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Well, I guess I'll either go back to the Simple Mode or remove Secunia PSI .
I thought by installing an update would help. Thanks, I'll figure something out.
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Member 5th May, 2010 08:30
Hi,

If you're still willing, we'd love to help you solve any problems you may still be having. Could I ask you to remain in the Advanced mode, and check whether there are entries for these programs in both the patched and insecure tabs? Occasionally, some updates leave old versions behind on the hard drive, so even though you've successfully updated, there are still old insecure versions for the PSI to find.

Have you run a full rescan? Are you using the PSI's "solution" links, or using internal program updaters?
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cybersurfer RE: jave & etc.
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on 5th May, 2010 08:30, wrote:
Hi,

If you're still willing, we'd love to help you solve any problems you may still be having. Could I ask you to remain in the Advanced mode, and check whether there are entries for these programs in both the patched and insecure tabs? Occasionally, some updates leave old versions behind on the hard drive, so even though you've successfully updated, there are still old insecure versions for the PSI to find.

Have you run a full rescan? Are you using the PSI's "solution" links, or using internal program updaters?

Yes, I've rescanned a few times after using the solution button.
This didn't just recently start,its been happening for weeks.
I even uninstalled Secunia & reinstalled it but no matter what I've done, no changes.
In one case, I even tried to follow the C:\....... path shown but it didn't show on my pc.
I'm still in the advanced mode, what do I do?
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Member 5th May, 2010 09:01
Hi,

Could you please answer all the questions I posed I my above post?
Also, could I ask you to check whether there are entries for Java and the others in both the patched and insecure tabs? As mentioned, some updates leave the old versions behind.
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cybersurfer RE: jave & etc.
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on 5th May, 2010 08:30, wrote:
Hi,

If you're still willing, we'd love to help you solve any problems you may still be having. Could I ask you to remain in the Advanced mode, and check whether there are entries for these programs in both the patched and insecure tabs? Occasionally, some updates leave old versions behind on the hard drive, so even though you've successfully updated, there are still old insecure versions for the PSI to find.

Have you run a full rescan? Are you using the PSI's "solution" links, or using internal program updaters?

Yes,I'm still in the advanced mode. Yes I'll check both the patched & insecure tabs.
Its my understanding when java gets updated,it removes the older version.
I check anyhow & remove it if its there.
I start Secunia from my All Programs menu, I let it scan, I click on the Solution button & DO AS IT SAYS. I then re scan & sometimes reboot & it still says its out of date. Even the java website says I'm current. I do empty my recycle bin daily,at least.
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Member 5th May, 2010 10:03
Hi,

Specifically with java, it does not actually remove the older versions. As you may have noticed, people frequent ask this very question, because the newer versions of Java install themselves separately from the old versions.
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cybersurfer RE: jave & etc.
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Here is the path of the Java that is up to date but Secunia says its NOT. C:\ProgramFiles\java\jre1.5.0_01\bin\java.exe
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Member 6th May, 2010 09:22
Hi,

Java 1.5.x is EOL (End Of Life). Nothing you can do can fix this situation, as Oracle no longer issue patches for it. The real solution (if possible) is to upgrade to 1.6.x, where the currently (as per. 05/06/10, ddmmyy) updated version is 6.0.200.2.

Hope this helps.
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Maurice Joyce RE: jave & etc.
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Here is a step by step guide to help U achieve what Emil has told U.

U will benefit best by going straight to PART 2of the solution.

JAVA PROBLEMS
=============


PART 1

STANDARD UPDATING OF JAVA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can be used with Windows XP,Vista & Windows 7 - 32 & 64 Bit Systems.

If U have but do not use a 64 Bit Browser there is no requirement for Java 64 to be installed.If already installed it can safely be removed via Control Panel>Add/Remove.

JAVA now use an Uninstaller as part of the install process. This makes updating very easy using this method.

1. [b]32 Bit Systems.


A.Go to Start>Control Panel>click on the JAVA icon>select the Update tab>click the Update Now button.
OR
B. Click this link:
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp (select 32 Bit)


1A. [64 Bit Systems.[/b] Click on this link:
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp (select 64 Bit)

Both 32 & 64 Bit downloads are available. Download/install them one at a time.

Notes:

U can use the 32 Bit browser to install the 64 Bit version.

To test your JAVA 32 Bit is working correctly use this test link:
http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

As normal,reboot,carry out a full PSI scan & all should be in order.

Secunia monitors both JAVA 32 & 64 Bit versions.

OPTIONAL EXTRA'S AFTER UPDATING
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1. Go to Control Panel>JAVA icon>Update Tab and take the tick out of box marked "Check for updates auto ....." (This will prevent a Java updater notification from starting each time U switch on your PC - PSI is already doing this job for U)

2. If U prefer not to have the JAVA icon in the System Tray when in use, open the Advanced Tab>look for Miscellaneous>click the + sign & then remove the tick from clearly marked box.

3. U may also wish to speed up your browser by clearing out the JAVA cache & permanently lowering the quota allocation. If U are unsure how to do this post back for more information.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


PART 2

CLEARING OUT OLD JAVA DROSS (32 Bit)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If U have completed Part 1 & still have a problem it is because the new JAVA uninstaller only removes the previous version. U could still have very old JAVA dross on your system. Try this:

1.Install or double check U have the latest JAVA version (Currently Version 6 Update 20)from here:

http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp (select 32 Bit)

http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp (select 64 Bit)


2.This tool will remove all the old dross except for the version U have just installed. Click here:

http://raproducts.org/

*This link takes U to the site - select the Windows Binary (zip) option.
*This will lead U to Sourceforge.net to download it.
*Save the download to desktop.
*Activate the desktop zip icon which exposes the JAVARA EXE file. Click it
*Select RUN when asked.
*Select your language.
*The tool will now appear on the desktop - select REMOVE OLDER VERSIONS
*Once complete select ADDITIONAL TASKS - tick all boxes & activate.
*Right click on the desktop JAVARA zip file & delete it.

3.To test your JAVA is working correctly use this test link: http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

If this post has solved your problem could you please select the ACCEPT option. This will lock the thread and stop you & I from receiving unnecessary update emails.

Revision 4

If U still have issues with Shockwave & others U mentioned it will be easier to follow if U create a thread for each one stating the PATH to the problem.

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Windows 7 SP1 64 Bit OS
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