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bjm__ Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Last edited on 27th Aug, 2010 18:00

Good day all,
Curious with apps coming down more as blended apps for x86 (32bit) & x64 (64bit).
Are there any general rules I may consider.
For example...with x86 OS... after an install of a blended app >
1) Is it best just to leave the install as is. Or,
2) Is it OK to delete x64 files

For example ...with x64 OS... after an install of a blended app >
1) Is it best just to leave the install as is. Or,
2) It is OK to delete x86 files
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in this example it is easy to differentiate versions
ie: > Installation Path
C:\SwSetup\DRIVERS\Touchpad\Vi32\DPInst.exe

Installation Path
C:\SwSetup\DRIVERS\Touchpad\Vi64\DPInst.exe
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But, other blended programs may not be so easily discerned where one ver ends and the other begins.....

So, any general rules ?

Comments - thoughts - advise ???

Thnx
bjm-

thedillpickl RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Hi bjm;

Perhaps a snort will help: http://www.whisky.com/blends.html

Sorry, I just absolutely could not help myself. :)))))))))))))))))))))


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bjm__ RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Hello Fred
Ummm....ya think maybe perhaps just a little TMI
As you could not help yourself...
http://www.aa.org/lang/en/meeting_finder.cfm?origp...
Stay strong Fred... We're all pulling for ya'....Keep your stick on the ice...
If my wife is watching, I'll be coming straight home after the meeting... and all this lawyer stuff has got me thinkin', maybe later tonight, if you present me with your briefs, I'll recommend a merger.

bjm-
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taffy078 RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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careful you two - you could lose points, as happened during the "Welcome TiMow" greetings!

Back to the serious issue, I hope that someone can post their thoughts on this confusing (for me) development. I have an XP desktop, a Win7 laptop and have today started updating my daughter's Vists laptop. All are mainly pre-installed OEM software and the differences between them after scanning and finding issues such as the ones you've mentioned are just weird.

Waiting for the cavalry!

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gjjean RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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@ bjm

You likely use HP computers where the folder SWSETUP is a resident backup file for HP to help protect your computer software.

To learn more about this folder, take a look @ this site:

http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/53265...

Think twice before any changes you make.

Good luck.


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taffy078 RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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thanks for that John. Very useful.

In my case one Compaq laptop, one Compaq desktop and one HP laptop i.e. three HP computers.

Over to you bjm-.

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bjm__ RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Last edited on 28th Aug, 2010 17:41
Hello Thread et al
@ taffy078
Point Taken-although, we are in Open Discussions ...(Open Discussions is/should be a venue for Community members to visit and share and to freely exchange dialog)
re> points system - not a fan - Kudos would be my preference.
Regarding > "be careful" .... as you run two real-time security apps...respectfully, I'll return the favor "be careful" ....
re > two real-time security applications
In general it is never a good idea to have two real-time security applications in use simultaneously. System performance can be adversely impacted and your protection can actually be lessened, as the two programs can seriously interfere with each others proper functioning and blocking of malicious things that try to run on your PC.
re >pre-installed OEM software ...aside from trials and bloat...pre-installed OEM software would be unique to the OS and vendor and system specs & config at time of manufacture...aside from the trial and bloat which I uninstall without hesitation prior to my initial image backup (retailers charge a fee to optimize a new system - the retailer is just uninstalling without hesitation trial and much of the bloat) aside from trials and bloat > pre-installed OEM is best left alone for average users. Knowledgeable users would always have the preference to run without xyz app or disable apps at startup or change Local Services etc. etc. An example of OEM bloat IMO is Adobe Air / Acrobat / Reader & programs I will just never use. Vendors are compensated for loading on every app under the sun and also to throw in the kitchen sink.
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@ gjjean
Yes, C:\SwSetup is totally off limits.
I'll presume your advice would be...not to pick apart a blended app that I installed in C:\ProgramFiles .....OK

Gee, hope I don't loose any points :-(((
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thedillpickl RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Hi all;

I will attempt to be more professional.

@bjm, tried your link, they would not have me. Said they had standards. :) I like Red Green, used to watch all the time, wonder if they have archives on DVD.

Bloat, free AV (unless it is one you want), try-me's and adverts are good to remove. Stuff like SwSetup and Recovery partition are best left alone, unless the machine has become unusable for lack of HD space. That is not an issue anymore, with many easy & (sort of) cheap ways to expand file space.

> As to 'blended' software, unless it is causing a problem, I would leave them intact. As I've said, file space should not be much of a problem. Possibly on an older machine, it would not be cost effective to install a bigger HD. That leads to the question; Why are you installing new software on a machine that is on it's way out?

@taffy, if I understand correctly, you have previously installed, "mainly", OEM software that you have updated. After scanning (with PSI?) there are differences between the same software on three different machines with three different OS's. What issues are you having exactly?

@John, good link, will have to read through. Might enlighten me on my HP, OE customer support just said something like, "It has to be there, leave it alone." (lot of help).


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taffy078 RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Last edited on 29th Aug, 2010 11:09
on 28th Aug, 2010 09:15, taffy078 wrote:
careful you two - you could lose points, as happened during the "Welcome TiMow" greetings!

Hi, bjm-. (1) I said this very much with tongue in cheek and a touch of sarcasm - I did not believe the "scoring in that other thread - although I was not suprised. I agree with you re scoring.

If you look at the final reply from the author here, you'll see what I mean. He was zapped just for saying he would not remove his link from his signature:
http://secunia.com/community/forum/thread/show/528...

Petty & intolerant, imho.

(2) "In general it is never a good idea to have two real-time security applications in use simultaneously." Yes - I had big problems with AdAware & Norton conflict. Maurice sorted them for me so no problems now - touch wood!

Hi, Fred - thanks for asking. I have no real problems now. It's just that until this thread I couldn't understand why this x86/x64 etc was happening on some PCs but not the other. I know now.

Thanks again bjm- for starting this thread - very helpful.


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Anthony Wells RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Hi ,

Concerning "real time security" apps : often you can get them to play in normal circumstances , it's when they need to defend that the problems really show and that can sometimes be too late ; especially when they shut down each other or are closed like dominoes by some malware .

Some software have settings to prevent themselves being closed by other software and that includes malware ; this is often a source of a clash and turning this setting down allows more friendly play . So which is more efficient at your gateway , one nasty mannered bouncer or a couple of friendly greeters ??

You can sometimes get a clue of real time conflict by the softwares' hyperactivity during a download and the "extra" delays/checks engendered ; of course you can get round that by using "install" mode and ignore the dangers completely :))

Just be sure you know how and why your chosen set up works .

Take care

Anthony


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bjm__ RE: Blended apps with x86 & x64 ver query
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Last edited on 29th Aug, 2010 16:42
Hello Fred
thedillpickl wrote:
I will attempt to be more professional.
@bjm, tried your link, they would not have me. Said they had standards. :) I like Red Green, used to watch all the time, wonder if they have archives on DVD.

re > RedGreen -- see > http://www.redgreen.com/ > clic Buy Stuff
re > attempt to be more professional -- Why !? ;-))

@taffy078
re > x86 v x64 --
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/choosing-between-vist...
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5709

Cheers

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