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Forum Thread: Ingore Rules - why does Secunia ignore my ignore rules?
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| aedwall
| Ingore Rules - why does Secunia ignore my ignore rules?
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by aedwall on 4th Dec, 2008 20:19, last edited on 4th Dec, 2008 20:23
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Regardless of what I have been told, when I incorporate the below ignore rules, the program ignores them and runs checks on all my local drives when I only want my c: drive scanned. What is wrong with Secunia?
Rule Name Rule Delete
Ignore drive e: e:\ Delete Rule
Ignore drive f: f:\ Delete Rule
Ignore drive g: g:\ Delete Rule
Ignore drive h: h:\ Delete Rule
ignore 386 c:\i386\ Delete Rule
Thank you.
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| ranza
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by ranza on 6th Dec, 2008 23:01, last edited on 6th Dec, 2008 23:01
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Hi aedwall. Firstly excuse my bad english. Now- Secunia does not ignore your rules. Donīt use the upper line in the configuration window (possibly called "Rules Name" (or "Name of Rules") in English). Use the line under it (possibly called "Rules" in English). I too have quite a few partions I donīt want Secunia to scan and this way it works.
Hope this helps. Be free to ask again if my explanation isnīt plain. |
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| a_edwall
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by a_edwall on 7th Dec, 2008 00:15
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>> Secunia does not ignore your rules. Donīt use the upper line in the configuration window (possibly called "Rules Name" (or "Name of Rules") in English). Use the line under it (possibly called "Rules" in English). I too have quite a few partions I donīt want Secunia to scan and this way it works.
I don't understand. There is a box called "Ignore Rules" Withing this box is a link to "Create Ignore Rule", then a list of my rules with column headers of "Rule Name" (like Ignore drive e:), "Rule" (like "e:\"), and "Delete" (like "Delete Rule"), which allows me to delete a rule. What line are you referring to? Can you send a screen shot? If not, go to www.astrowin.org and find my e-mail address, then send a shot. Thank you.
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| Agent_Smith
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by Agent_Smith on 7th Dec, 2008 20:37
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It works fine for me, I created it directly from an application by creating an ignore rule for it and then changing the path, see also my other posting on this:
http://secunia.com/community/forum/thread/show/816...
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| a_edwall
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by a_edwall on 7th Dec, 2008 23:39
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Can you tell me if what I have entered is incorrect:
Rule Name Rule Delete
Ignore drive e: e:\ Delete Rule
I have the same as above for other drives, but I swear that Secunia is scanning them anyway because I can see and hear the drives being accessed. Thank you.
If the above does not keep its formatting, please mentally insert spaces to read it.
I have just added this rule:
Ignore drive c: c:\ Delete Rule
Let's see if Secunia scans my c: drive.
Yeah, it's scanning as if there are no rules. This is frustrating.
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| consistency
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by consistency on 6th Mar, 2009 16:11
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same problem here.
added multiple ignore rules, so psi would only scan c:, also tried with no "rule name" only with the "rule" field filled
screenshot with "rule name" field filled
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90226.jpg
psi keeps scanning all drives.
please fix
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| Maurice Joyce
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by Maurice Joyce on 6th Mar, 2009 16:57, last edited on 6th Mar, 2009 16:57
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I have just done a test on mine and it appears to work. I think I am using your format as follows:
In the RULE NAME BOX insert something like MY BACKUP DRIVE
In the RULE BOX type D:\ (or the drive letter U wish to ignore)
Click SAVE IGNORE RULE>CLOSE
There is also the option to ignore individual programmes from the Advanced Mode Toolbox. May be worth trying that to see if U can change the path to ignore a drive.
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| consistency
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by consistency on 6th Mar, 2009 21:32
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- restarted my system
- tried to exclude special programs (thunderbird.exe) but i can't verify if it worked or not.
- renamed the rule names to "drive x", psi still keep ignoring my ignore rules.
- one problem maybe my symbolic links to directories on other drives, but first psi should still obey the ignore rules and second if it switches to the directory on the other drive, it should only go in this dir, not any further
- checked the file access with filemonitor (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb...)
@Maurice Joyce
>There is also the option to ignore individual programmes from the Advanced Mode Toolbox.
>May be worth trying that to see if U can change the path to ignore a drive.
tried, does not work rather i can't confirm it works
i think it's a "first" start "first scan" problem, if i would let psi continue, maybe it would obey the rules for the next scans. but this is no solution for me, i don't want this tool to go through 6TB of HD video material and RAW images just for it's own sake.
so there should be a patch / new version of this tool, where you can define exactly where to scan (as in every free virus scanner). i don't need the tool to go throug my desktop, the temp files or my other hard disks. only most directories of C:\ are interesting
for other people who have this problem too, you can try to remove the drive letter of your drives from the windows "disk management" tool (winXP: start > settings > control panel > Administrative Tools > Computer Management > storage > disk management
for me it is no solution, because i symlinked a lot of progs to other harddrives.
hope there will be a fix soon.
- fix the blacklist to work all the time (also on the first run) (no the tool has not to "index" all my harddrives to check if all programms on C:\ are up2date)
- add a whitelist: make a drive selection or a simple textbox where i can enter drive letters where to scan
thank you.
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| M.Hansen
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by M.Hansen on 9th Mar, 2009 14:38
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Hi
I think i need to explain how the ignore rule works.
The ignore rule is a display filter that kicks in AFTER the scans and the results are ready to be displayed to the user. The ignore rule filters the Insecure programs affected by the rule, so the PSI does not detect them as "Insecure"
Therefore the PSI will still scan all drives, folders, etc.
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Secunia PSI Support
Secunia PSI
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| aedwall
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by aedwall on 9th Mar, 2009 17:31
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Please consider modifying this behavior as it really makes no sense. Why waste all that time doing something we don't want done in the first place? I have stopped using the program because of this method of operation. Thank you.
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| consistency
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by consistency on 9th Mar, 2009 17:32
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so i would suggest to change the behavior of the ignore rules or add an option to scan selectively.
i know on which harddisks i have programs which i want to scan and which harddisks are only data storage (jpegs, raw images, hd video footage, raw video files, wav files,...).
there is no need for psi to scan through terrabyte of date which have nothing to do with programs.
please change this behavior |
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| windrider
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by windrider on 11th Mar, 2009 23:48
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Could you pls advise the syntax of the rules ? I have tried "ignore e:" just "e:" and neither seems to work.
Thank you
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| Maurice Joyce
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by Maurice Joyce on 12th Mar, 2009 09:44, last edited on 12th Mar, 2009 09:44
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Johnny,
Just type in E:\
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| grouch92
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by grouch92 on 13th Mar, 2009 18:34
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Yes, please add the ability to skip scanning an entire drive. My 2 TB external drive backs up all the computers on my network. Scanning it is pointless, as it only contains duplicate backup files of things that are already scanned on the primary drives. Scanning it adds a termendous amount of time to the scan. |
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| consistency
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by consistency on 28th May, 2009 15:20, last edited on 28th May, 2009 15:20
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just tested Secunia PSI 1.0.0.5 BETA, same behavior.
it is NOT trustful if a security program don't obey it's own rules. it looks like a sniffing tool which want to create an index of my harddisks.
don't write "Improved Scan Speed" into the change log if you just don't care to improve the scanning speed.
on my pc you would improve the scanning speed by 200 - in words by two hundred - just by obeying your own ignore rules (assumption the harddisks are full and every file is scanned, its scanning 30gb vs ~6tb).
everyone who knows a little bit about coding knows that it is easy to implement the requested feature. whereas its no feature it's a bug in your software.
i know, it's free software, i don't have to use it but i want to use it and it annoys me to see that such a simple bug is not fixed. it leaves the feeling of sniffing and profiling.
please fix this. now. now in your beta version.
edit:
- don't follow symlinks to ignored drives
- don't scan harddisks/files on the ignore list
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| greg54
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by greg54 on 28th May, 2009 16:07
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Yes, there is something about this behavior that does not inspire trust. I always wondered about the logs that are kept at Secunia about what people have on their machines. What about it, Secunia? I am removing this program from my machine and all of my clients machine until this issue is resolved. |
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| heikwith
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by heikwith on 28th May, 2009 16:19
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Still same BUG here.
I have IGNORED 2 external harddisks with 7 partitions.
These are full with old end-of-life and insecure programs.
This useless scan with Secunia PSI 1.0.0.5 BETA takes 15 minutes.
I have a havily changing C:drive.
Therefore I run PSI minimal one time a day, sometimes 2 or 3 times.
I think this is unaccepable and unneeded.
Please LISTEN to us and give us at least some possibility to skip the scan of ignored partitions by an extra parameter in the ignore-rule.
It cannot be difficult to program a parameter like Scan=N.
This nice program need this change really.
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| consistency
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by consistency on 24th Jun, 2009 22:13
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version 1.5
same behavior.
its ridiculous.
FIX it.
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| Kobayashi
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by Kobayashi on 1st Jul, 2009 09:22
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Secunia 1.5.0.0. does ignore my ignore rules.
It does scan an external 1 terrabyte harddisk for nothing.
I use Windows Vista.
Thanks
Kobayashi
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| Kobayashi
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by Kobayashi on 1st Jul, 2009 11:05
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After reboot my Secunuia does act normal and does respect the rules again!
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| consistency
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by consistency on 2nd Jul, 2009 01:22
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no it does not obey the rules, it follows symlinks to other drivesand also directly scans other drives which all are on the ignore list.
also after a reboot my ignore rules are not obeyed
the only way i managed that psi only scans the c: drive was to remove all drive letters from my other partitions.
thats not the way i like it
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| eSKzHvZreJxktYLUd4jN1oy...
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by eSKzHvZreJxktYL... on 3rd Jul, 2009 11:28
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Personally I'm quite impressed with the increased scanning speed in the latest versions of the PSI. I have two PC's; an old and slow, and a relatively new and fast one. On the old one i think it took about 10 or 15 minutes to scan (yes, it really is an OLD PC!), and about 4 or 5 minutes on the new one. Those scanning times changed to exactly 2:07 and 0:41 with the latest version! And I've actually seen even faster scans on other computers.
Pretty much all the antivirus programs I have tried in recent years would spend hours to scan, not minutes/seconds as with the PSI. Sure, further improved scanning speed is always welcome, even in a fast application like the PSI, but I really don't think this is a major issue. You do have a valid point about the scanning of the PSI, but let's put things into perspective. :-) |
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| consistency
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by consistency on 4th Jul, 2009 14:49
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it's not only a matter of speed, it's also a matter of trust.
in this case speed is a very desirable side effect.
i want a programm to do that what it says. if i have a field "ignore" i want that the programm ignores all things i entered there. i don't want it to scan my "data only harddisk".
it *feels* like it creates an index of my whole data. for me a slow antivirus software which obeys its own ignore rules is more trustful, than a superfast scanner where i don't know if the ignore field is the only thing it is ignoreing.
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| Anthony Wells
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by Anthony Wells on 4th Jul, 2009 23:53, last edited on 4th Jul, 2009 23:53
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As I understand it , the Forum is available to help people who have problems & to report faults & to ask for help , etc .
As it happens , I like what Secunia have done with PSI , I understand exactly how Secunia's "ignore rule" system works & what it will & won't do and what is "their" definition of ignore & that that is the one that applies in PSI .
I "trust" Secunia to inspect my system and to take care of that info - I want to be sure that my "entire" system is as secure as it can be. It helps placate my latent paranoia.
Repeating your concerns here on the Forum is unlikely to cause Secunia to jump through hoops , even 'though they monitor it .
I would suggest you contact them direct at "support" to see if they are likely to do what you want , now or in the future , or can suggest a workaround , perhaps by removing drive names.
Secunia is a great FREE program & everyone is free to choose whether to use it or not - it's just a question of how much "risk" you want to take.
Works for me :-o)
Take care !
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| RebusCom
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by RebusCom on 2nd Aug, 2009 20:04
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The ignore rules are not only ignored for the scans, but the after-scan reported insecure, EoL, etc., programs as well. The ignore rules are totally ignored on my system, v1.5.0.0. I have several alternate drives with many alternate boots and I do not want these other drives reported, only the OS that is running is of relevance. There is apparently no way via the ignore rules to exclude these other drives. Because of that the program is of no practical use to me. |
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| Dwarden
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by Dwarden on 11th Sep, 2009 14:45, last edited on 11th Sep, 2009 14:45
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rule named e.g. j:\ with rule j:\ is ignored
now why the hell is IMPOSSIBLE to code to PSI to ignore whole drivers ?
seriously there is no point to scan several TBs of backups and wait hours to get simple scan ...
if you fail on making ignore list = black list
what about give us WHITE list ...
only drives where ARE programs to be scanned and NOTHING ELSE
so keep it stupid simple and WORKING |
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| Slamgeden
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by Slamgeden on 14th Sep, 2009 08:39
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on 28th May, 2009 15:20, consistency wrote:
just tested Secunia PSI 1.0.0.5 BETA, same behavior.
it is NOT trustful if a security program don't obey it's own rules. it looks like a sniffing tool which want to create an index of my harddisks.
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i know, it's free software, i don't have to use it but i want to use it and it annoys me to see that such a simple bug is not fixed. it leaves the feeling of sniffing and profiling.
You should read Secunia's privacy policy.
http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal...
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| consistency
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by consistency on 14th Sep, 2009 20:04
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then exchange the "looks" with "feels".
there is simply NO reason why this bug (i use the word bug and not feature, it is a bug) not fixed.
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| eSKzHvZreJxktYLUd4jN1oy...
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by eSKzHvZreJxktYL... on 15th Sep, 2009 11:05
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The question is whether a program with lots of satisfied users should be changed based on the wishes of a few people with special needs. |
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| consistency
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by consistency on 15th Sep, 2009 11:46
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a cars maximum speed is 100mph, 95% of the people are pleased with that. the speed limit is caused by a wire which is wrong connected. it could easily be changed and the maximum speed would be 180mph.
should it be changed? |
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by eSKzHvZreJxktYL... on 15th Sep, 2009 12:36
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For your analog to make sense the increase in speed would only happen for the few people, not the majority. And the manufacturer of the car would have to spend time and money to change the car. So then the question is whether it would be a wise decision marketwise, to do that. I might be that the manufacturer believes the costs of the change will be higher than the benefit.
Besides; driving 180mph can get you killed. ;-) |
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| grouch92
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by grouch92 on 15th Sep, 2009 15:06
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Sorry to post an off topic reply. I had subscribed to this thread a long time ago. It was helpful. I got my answer and unsubscribed.
However, I keep getting notificiations on any new posts. At the top of tht thread it says I'm not subscribed:
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You are not subscribing to this thread. If you want to subscribe, please click here
So, I'm trying something new - replying to the thread and leaving the "Subscribe to this thread" box UNchecked. |
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| consistency
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by consistency on 15th Sep, 2009 18:50
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look i don't request that they recode their software from the scratch. i have enough programming experience to say this feature is simple to implement.
$devs = open($system->getdevices());
foreach ($devs as $dev)
{
if (!in_array($dev->getDriveLetter(),$ignorerules))
scan($dev);
}
and the same on opening a path. if path starts with any ignorerule do not continue scanning.
its really not that difficult.
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| Maurice Joyce
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by Maurice Joyce on 15th Sep, 2009 23:00
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Perhaps better if you write to Secunia Support.
I believe what a handful of people want is available by purchasing CSI.
Like any vendor offering a free service they appear to have witheld this tool which has caused little or no impact on the number of people using PSI to keep themselves secure.
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| consistency
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by consistency on 17th Sep, 2009 15:47
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wrote them allready. they said they will implement it...
and then there was the next new version and the next new version. what was still missing, this bugfix.
i only post here to reply or if i notice a new version and it still has the bug.
so far... |
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| Dwarden
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by Dwarden on 26th Oct, 2009 21:50
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and still unfixed ...
real shame when such simple feature of ignoring what's in ignore list is not ignored
please fix your software this is not soem feature wish but bug ...
nothing more or less |
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| RTdev
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by RTdev on 31st Oct, 2009 23:23, last edited on 31st Oct, 2009 23:23
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- I have the same problem of loosing a lot of time with the scan of disks and partitions, that I don't want to be scanned.
- But I remark that the thread is old from 11 month without any positive answer of secunia official.
- I suggest to secunia official to transfer the tread in the Forum "Secunia PSI - Feedback and Questions" because it is not in the right place.
- And I demand to secunia to replace the existing display-filter rule by a scan-path-ignore rule.
Phil. |
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| rdcook01
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by rdcook01 on 1st Nov, 2009 05:14
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on 31st Oct, 2009 23:23, RTdev wrote:
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- And I demand to secunia to replace the existing display-filter rule by a scan-path-ignore rule.
Phil.
I shouldn't say it but I cant resist.
Maybe they will refund your money. |
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